Pontoon Shopping/Building

Jerry Daschofsky

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#16
pvsprme, that's pretty cool. Was wondering when someone would make a composite frame. Wonder if the holdup was making the connection points. Know my cataract oars have held up to some pretty bad abuse. Have had them a long time. I may contact them myself and see what the priceranges are. Thanks for posting that one pvsprme.
 
#17
Yeah, I was piqued by that. I'm guessing the connetion points will have to be some kind of snap or screw "T" fitting, possibly with internal steel or aluminium sleeve for strength.
 

Jerry Daschofsky

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#18
Yeah, you're probably right. I was thinking those metal pieces that have the threaded post in them. Wonder how much testing they've done with it. I bet they'd have to have an internal piece. Just in case it's hit, there isn't play at all. Shatter is only option (depending on the composite).
 

Ed Call

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#19
In cycling a direct hit as such is termed "catastrophic failure". Scary when you think of descending a climb at 30-50mph and experience "catastrophic failure". Not sure that I'd like taking my chances in the middle of a river on one based on my current level of experience. I do still have a small fleet of bikes, three of which are full carbon frames and they have made all others obsolete except for occasional nostalgia rides.

You guys are 'toon frame geeks!
 

Jerry Daschofsky

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#20
LOL Mumbles. Ah, ok. Thanks for answering that one for us. I know in the cataract oars they are awesome. But they are pretty thick, and probably the right amount of diameter vs length to add strength. But yeah, if it's that way, think I'll stick with my galvanized. ;)
 

Jerry Daschofsky

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#21
And Mumbles, yeah I am a pretty hardcore toon freak. I'm going to see if I can do a frame capture on some old whitewater videos I have from an old group I rafted with. Can show some of the experimental tubes we made back then. Some pretty weird stuff. Not many cataraft manufacturers backthen, so guys built their own. Pretty oddball designs. I think I've had a good 20 or so custom frames built for myself. I've done some pretty weird things with them. I was tempted to learn how to weld, but think I'd have a yard full of frames in no time if I did. LOL
 

Ed Call

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#22
Jerry, thanks to the recommendations of you, GT and river elf (sorry if I omitted any others) I got some 7.5' cataract mini mags for my toon. I'll say that they are burly for sure as I've been hanging from them like a 225# gorilla, they flex but barely. If a whole frame was made of that type of material it would be tough as hell and I'd consider it except for one thing...WEIGHT. Those frames would likely be way heavier than stainless, steel or aluminum. Of course catastrophic failure is much more critical in a carbon bike frame that in places is only an impregnated layer or two of carbon fiber thick, not like those cataracts that could be use to beat a bear senseless. (not that I want to try that by risking a bear encounter, I'm just mumbling)
 
#23
Let me know when you decide on something, i'd like to take a look (I'm out in Hillsboro)

So after checking out local craigslist ads and talking with Jerry D about the one I found (thanks again Jerry!) I headed down to Andy and Bax this afternoon.

Is it just me or do they have an overinflated (excuse the pun) sense of what their stuff is worth? I looked at their 12' package with maxxon tubes. It was $2500. Galvanized frame with a floor woven from webbing much like older lawn chairs were. Took a closer look at the frame and I was a bit shocked. The welds were horrible.

Bottom line is I guess I am going to have to just build one up from scratch. I looked at titanium tubing for a frame, but they wanted $14 a foot. Of course if I want a 12' toon then it looks like I will be spending at least $2k minimum (judging from prices I see), so I might as well have exactly what i want.

Has anyone built a titanium frame? I weld it daily, but never a boat frame. Anyone know how they would react to rock impact or other river hazards?

My idea is to use a 60/40 welded/modular frame on 12' maxxon tubes. May have to get the tubes used if I can find them. A&B wanted $750 for a set. For some reason I thought they were a bit cheaper than that.

Thoughts?