Poor mans motorized dubbing brush invention

Discussion in 'Fly Tying' started by Daryle Holmstrom, Jan 1, 2006.

  1. chadk

    chadk Be the guide...

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    It just has a spot to put a few strands of wire (or whatever) on the top and then on the bottom. There is some kind of hand crank for twisting. Lenght could be a problem since it looked more like 8-9 inches. I'll have another look next time I'm there.
     
  2. Randy Diefert

    Randy Diefert aka: Longears

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    This is my answer to the poor man's dubbing rope machine. It has a 14" drop down table that is held in place with 2 spring loaded cabinet hinges,Mount a sewing machine motor (thift store) 2" before the table and Jb weld a hook in the end. On the other end mount a Dowel rod and insert a cup hook at table (up position) hieght. To that get your self a spring and a ball bearing swivel. Wire in a dimmer switch to the sewing machine motor. And you've got it.
     

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  3. Tom Grobelny

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    Randy,

    It looks like you have my setup beat for speed and long fir brushes now!

    I used rabbit fir brushes for spring creek specials and have started making some sparse brushes to replace the hackle on wolly buggers and the like. Looks like you will have fun with your setup.

    Tom G
     
  4. Randy Diefert

    Randy Diefert aka: Longears

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    Tom, I use this machine allot. It works great. I made it after returning home with one that I bought in Canada last year that doesn't have enough power or stamina to keep up making dubbing brushes after a few hours. This IS the ticket , believe me. The hardest thing is finding the sewing machine motors without buying the whole enchilada. I'm still looking for one (motor) for Jim Swan's machine that I'm making him. You'll need to find that and set it up first because that will set your hieght for the rest of it. The most important factors are: The height is the same all of the way acroos the wire and, the wire is laying straight in the groove of your table. The one I bought , I made portable with a nine volt convertor/battery charger from Radio Shack. But, Like I said it's good for an hour tops before it runs out of poop.
    Good luck, If you've got any questions Feel free to PM me.This site's all about sharing!:beer2:
     
  5. bass-tard

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    I can't wait to get started on making dubbing brushes. Has anyone encountered a problem with the speed of the electric motor? I think most "dremel" tools spin between 5000 and 30000 rpm (at least on the cheap models that I looked at).
     
  6. Daryle Holmstrom

    Daryle Holmstrom retiredfishak

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    Well brother if you can spin at that speed you da man

    , for your first post watch out for the patrol
     
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    I have an old arrow cresting rig that I used my wife's old Singer sewing machine motor on. Thanks for the info - it's going to get resurected as a dubbing brush machine.:thumb:
     
  8. Randy Diefert

    Randy Diefert aka: Longears

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    Bass-tard Look close at the photo. right in front of the motor is an ordinary dimmer switch with an on/off button. It is totally variable speed. Works like a hot damn!
     
  9. Randy Diefert

    Randy Diefert aka: Longears

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    I have a root's dubbing machine that I'll sell somebody if their interested too. It is made out of Oak and has one added feature. I took the 9volt battery out and got an a/c adapter and wired that in. Interested ? give me a shout. Before I get blasted here too, It's not a classified ad. I'm just seeing if anyone reading this post wanted one that's already made. I had no intention of selling it in the first place. I paid $125.00
     
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    I'd never heard of these brushes before reading this thread. Looks interesting. What kind of flies work best, generally, with these things?
     
  11. Randy Diefert

    Randy Diefert aka: Longears

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    I Like the Dragon Nymph that I tye using a Olive Dubbing Supreme Dubbing brush for big Northern BC Rainbows. These are indestructable fly's because of the stainless wire core,yet you can't see it. It looks more like a segmented body on the abdomen.
     
  12. Daryle Holmstrom

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    The photos of the brush are about 9 inches long, one brush will do a single steelhead fly, or about 3 or 4 trout flies depending upon wire thickness and the amount of dubbing material. I'm still experimenting with materials. The motor is just a simple battery powered driver that turns at a slow revolution. A dremel would be way too fast.

    Randy might chime in here, I would say that when I twist the brush I get between 250 to 400 revs (twists) before the wire breaks?

    Wrapped on for the body pretty much bullet proof. Sinks like a rock because of the wire.
     
  13. Randy Diefert

    Randy Diefert aka: Longears

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    Yes, You definately need to control the speed of what ever motor you use. And winding the rope until the wire breaks works but what works better is...
    on the far post run your wire through a ball bearing swivel and attach that to a spring which is attached to the post. now run the wire back to the motor and trap your material in between the 2 wires and slowly start twisting the wire. Gradually increase the motor speed.When the material stands straight out at a 90 degree angle from the wire your done.Overtightening does not strengthen the rope. The reason a hand held motor works is that your getting closer to the other end as the wire twists. That's why you can get by without the spring and swivel.If a rope is made right ,it can be combed with a wire brush with a minimumamount of material loss. There are a lot of materials that can be added to make very interesting brushes.
     
  14. bfic

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    I've seen this refrence to a "ball bearing swivel a couple of times. what's it's purpose? I understand the spring allows the brush to shorten as it is twisted but if the wire was hooked to the swivel it would turn with the moter and not twist????
     
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    Today I got a 4 inch Massey fan at Wal-Mart...by taking off the front cage/ guard and the blade it appears to be great for one of these boards...even has a handy stand.....will the dimmer slow down a fan motor????????