Post OS brainstorming

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by Salmo_g, Aug 10, 2017.

  1. Albula

    Albula Active Member

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    Thanks for being the informed voice of reason. This next response should be good. " Ya but, ya but, ya but."
     
  2. nomlasder

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    Going back to the original idea

    Lobby the WDFW Commission to close a salmon hatchery that mainly raises fish for Canadian interception and returns few to WA fisheries;

    I do not see much use spending time here, besides being a political football, any action would take too long

    2. Lobby the Legislature for some kind of Skagit Endorsement, similar to the Columbia River Endorsement, that covers the costs of monitoring in that river basin. Unfortunately the earliest this could take effect would be 2019;

    This is a great idea for long term use. Requiring a special endorsement on your fishing license would generate funds, but would only be as good in controlling pressure as enforcement. Again not a good short term solution, but a great long term approach to be used as a selling point to the powers to be.

    3. Raise money privately from outside sources, and provide a grant to WDFW specifically for Skagit monitoring. The means for this alternative could include soliciting contributions from manufacturers and vendors of equipment and gear used in the steelhead fishery. Maybe also guides that work the river. A Go-Fund-Me account to receive contributions from anglers and others with an interest in the fishery.
    This a great approach to get the ball rolling. I agree with some posts that would be best to tag along with a current non profit. WSC comes to mind.
    4. (This is where you offer up your constructive ideas.)

    To start, a charter or memo of understanding needs to be drafted laying out the purpose, approach , methods and benefits of the proposed fishery. What science can be gleeneed from monitoring the fishery and the benefits? What value of this information for future management and why this information is indespensible.

    If the purpose is only to provide some fishing opportunity to a few folks it's gonna be a tough sell.

    If it can be demonstrated to reduce congestion and pressure on other stocks the fishery will have a better chance of convincing the regulators.
     
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  3. _WW_

    _WW_ Geriatric Skagit Swinger

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    That's been done already. It's called the The Skagit River Fishery Resource Management Plan which you'll find a copy of below.


    The purpose to raise funding is to pay for the monitoring that will be required by NMFS. Why? Because WDFW's proposed budget was shot down. Included in that budget you'll find the funds that were supposed to pay for the monitoring.
     

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  4. nomlasder

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    Thanks Wayne, I'll read up
     
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    _WW_ Geriatric Skagit Swinger

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    One thing to keep in mind when discussing additional fees, permits, endorsement cards is this:
    WDFW cannot impose any additional fees such as these without approval from the state legislature...the same legislature that denied their proposed budget. We can throw all these ideas at WDFW, but without legislative support nothing will happen. Absolutely nothing.

    Contact your lawmakers.
     
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    Ok, I scanned the proposal. I believe this covers tribal commercial and subsistence along with sport retention fishery. Although the proposal does note native fish are to be released. Please correct me if I misread the document.

    The proposal I suggest is a private funding submittal. You can't just drop a pile of cash on someones desk without a plan how the money is to be spent.
    Also I think the proposal is to be specific to a c&r sport fishery.
    The proposal should also lay out a plan to secure legeslative approval for permanent funding.

    Ross
     
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    _WW_ Geriatric Skagit Swinger

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    Not to be argumentative but I think all your concerns have been addressed. Who would do this proposal? Who would get this proposal? Would it have any teeth? Would it take another six years?
    It covers all steelhead fishing in the Skagit by all parties.
    A grant? Spend it on monitoring the C&R fishery. That's what this whole thread is about!
    A grant to fund the monitoring of a C&R fishery for 2018? As I recall, the tribes self report.
    Call, email, snail mail your lawmakers to accept the WDFW budget.

    We have a plan approved by WDFW and all the co-managers that simply awaits federal approval. The assumption is that they will require monitoring. Hell, if they don't, then we're home free. Perhaps they'll give us a pass the first year because our state government is so dysfunctional!
     
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  8. freestoneangler

    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    Appreciate your comments and perspective. As with much of this discussion, there is considerable uncertainty. The trend line data I provided would be much worse were historic return numbers included. That's concerning in that it softens the severity of what these fish and the system is experiencing. If the Skagit is, by all accounts in better shape than many others in the region, that's all the more reason not to add additional pressure and risk.

    The plan/lawsuit agreement (if I recall correctly) was no hatchery steelhead for 12 years - giving the native fish a chance to reverse the trend. I do think these same folks can be passionate advocates for the resource without fishing them and introducing unnecessary risk. If the trend line reverses, open it up for C&R, otherwise I'll continue to support keeping it closed.
     
  9. Salmo_g

    Salmo_g Well-Known Member

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    Skagit RMP EA:

    "Thank you for your input. Now please read comment responses 1 through 1,260, even though they don't corroborate your chosen narrative."
     
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    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    Say's one of the principal sources of uncertainty.
     
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    Post of the year.

    I'm starting to believe the mods keep you around for comedy gold. Is this one of those big stances you are taking for the elusive silent majority who struggle with the arduous process of typing words into chat boxes? Way to fight the good fight keyboard warrior. Erin Brokovich would be proud.

    You made your point. What are you looking for besides attention? Decision has been made.

    By the way before you try to dismiss me as part of the "group", I have concerns with the opening more so with monitoring and the guide influx. I just find it sad that you dive bomb so many conversations and prevent good information on BOTH sides of the coin from having a thoughtful, useful conversation.
     
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    nomlasder Active Member

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    My apologies if I made the impression to redraft the
    I was not suggesting to rewrite the Skagit Fishery Management Plan. I am suggesting a short narrative to accompany donated funds, stating the purpose of the grant and possibly some conditions on how the cash is to be used.
    Who would write it. Certainly someone smarter than me. Most likely an individual or small group from the Occupy Skagit core of volunteers.
     
  13. _WW_

    _WW_ Geriatric Skagit Swinger

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    I see, I'm pretty sure that any grant handed over would come with explicit directions. And as has been mentioned before it would probably have to go through one of the tribes with them hiring another co-manager, (WDFW) to do the work.
    I've been told that God has a plan for everyone and works in mysterious ways. The two guys on my ignore list are the living proof...
     
  14. freestoneangler

    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    I'm glad you have concerns about the river being opened up for steelhead fishing and hoping a good many of the forums lurkers do as well.
     
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    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    Appealing to the lurking crowd, interesting approach.