Pteronarcys californica on the South Fork Snoqualmie

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Entomology' started by Chris Scoones, May 7, 2012.

  1. Chris Scoones

    Chris Scoones Administrator Staff Member

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    Got a visitor yesterday. Can't remember the last time I've seen a salmonfly at the house.

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  2. orangeradish

    orangeradish Eyes to the sky...

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    Sweet. Saw one down here a few weeks ago.
     
  3. Derek Young

    Derek Young Emerging Rivers Guide Services

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    How long do these bugs get. In Inches
     
  5. Steve Call

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    2-3", not counting the front antenna.
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    Good show, Chris.
     
  7. Matt B

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    Taxon: How does one ID adult salmonflies to species?
     
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    Hi Matt-

    There are subtle differences in shape shape of genitalia, which can be examined with a microscope to identify adult Pteronarcys to species. Those "keys" would be available in the references listed on Ethan Bright's Aquatic Insects Of Michigan Pteronarcys Identification Keys page.
     
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    The reason for the question was I saw some shell casings of bugs about that long stuck under a bridge on the Foss river. At the time I didn't know what they were. I guess I do now. Well maybe.
     
  10. Matt B

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    Thanks Taxon. I should've guessed Scoones was harassing insects and their genitalia with microscopes.
     
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    Taxon Moderator Staff Member

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    Although I realize you were just joking, I'm pleased that Chris chose to share his salmonfly photo with us, and appreciative of his having created this forum. How's that for sucking up? ;)
     
  12. zen leecher aka bill w

    zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    I guess if one has studied moth balls one has the skill to sex salmonflies.
     
  13. Derek Young

    Derek Young Emerging Rivers Guide Services

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    I suggest posting a large sign on your boat that reads "Show us your Species." Well, on second thought..
     
  14. Chris Scoones

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    Matt,

    I had no microscope so my approach was a bit more hands on. I assure you that by the time I was done with my examination I had learned nothing but had gained a new friend.

    Chris
     
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    No doubt that it's a great photo but if you want to get a shot that Mr. Flynt might publish you're gonna have to flip that baby over and zoom in a lot tighter.