Puget Sound Fish Boat

Discussion in 'Watercraft' started by Michael Dunn, Sep 29, 2007.

  1. D3Smartie

    D3Smartie Active Member

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    having fished a lot of days on the sound from both aluminum and glass boats, glass is the hands down winner if you want to be able to fish every day and not worry about your back. I fish out of a 17' grady which have been going for about 10-12.5k on craigslist. My friend just sold his lund and bought a 17' whaler. (an old outrage i think) And it was 11k.
    The aluminum boats are easy launch and beat around on the beach. they are not a comfortable ride in any sort of chop and basically can ruin a day of fishing if the wind comes up. There is an ease that comes with having an aluminum boat and it stays in your price range, but your days out on the water are limited by weather.
    If you want to fish year round in the sound from a smaller boat, i think you need a glass hull. if you want to fish just the nice days, then an aluminum boat will get the job done.
     
  2. Nutty Squirrel

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    13' Whaler Montauk? Doesn't exist as a model as far as I know. The classic 17' Montauk is a classic though. I thought the budget was 5K or less and now people are recommending boats that cost anywhere from 9K for a 1980's 17' Montauk to a Pacific Skiff which are 15-30K. It's fun to dream though. Under 5K look for a 15' Arima, 14' Lund, 13' B. Whaler 14' Livingston, Duroboat & maybe a smokercraft Alaskan model. If you are set on a Whaler goto: http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/ or check out http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/ if you just want to drool over nice photos. This is the best site there is for used Whaler information. Good luck.
     
  3. gt

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    there are all sorts of plusses and minuses to whatever boat you look at. no matter, it will always come down to a compromise.

    when i was shopping my spec sheet for reelfast, i also looked at several high quality glass boats. you may be surprised to learn that at least 6 different mfgs use the same sort of foamed in, sealed construction that made whaler, at one time, a one and only stand apart from the rest of the boat building industry, not any more.

    while i found two glass boats that were close to meeting my spec list, neither one of them could match a single and important factor, weight. let me be more specific, reelfast is 31.5LOA, mounts twin yamaha 150s and can hold 135g of fuel. with 40g of fuel on board, 5 deep cycle batteries, both motors and ansillary gear, she weighted in at 5,100#. the closest glass boat in the same length, without motors, fuel batteries.......weighed in at 6,500#.

    what that translates to is speed, fuel economy and a better carry capacity. having run aluminum boats in moving water as well as blue water, i can testify that they take a beating without complaint. in fact, reelfast already has several 'battle' scares which would have not been a pretty thing had she been made from glass.

    however, aluminum in saltwater is going to require your attention. being a 'less noble' metal, you will need to be attending to cleaning her up with some religious zeal. watch the anodes carefully and if you are going to moor your boat, you had best invest in a bottom paint job, two parts - a barrier coat followed by the actual bottom paint.

    if you are shopping actively for a glass boat, check the current web sites to investigate just how they are laid up. you will be surprised to learn that boats mentioned in this thread are still using the old style wood stringers put in place with a chopper gun. the glass boats i had my choices down to were vacum bagged and were totally composite in their construction. a bit more $$ but zero worries regarding eventual water penetration and rot. that will be one of the things you will have a very hard time investigating in a used glass boat with wooden stringer system.

    but no matter what you do, its going to be a compromise so get used to living with the various shortcomings and just go fish!
     
  4. Michael Dunn

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    What do you think of this for $2500?
    Actually belongs to a freind of mine that commuted from Bainbridge to the locks in it for a few years. Has a different motor on it nowI guess. He built the house.
    I'd need to get my own trailer.
    [​IMG]
     
  5. Michael Dunn

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    Crap. Can't seem to attach the photo he sent me.
    The boat is a 19 Southern Skimmer that he built his own house on. It looks really well done. 90 Horse o.b. and not exactly what I was lookin for but could fit the bill.


     
  6. D3Smartie

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    what do you want to use this boat for?
     
  7. Michael Dunn

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    Try again.
     
  8. It looks fine, but I'm not sure (of course) how sea worthy it is. It's sort of a hybrid Whaler and fishing boat. What I see it doesn't have is a deep, or somewhat deep hull to combat ferry and other fishing vessel wakes. The fact that your standing in a shallow boat, but in a home made cock pit make me wonder if it's not a little dangerous. a sort of false sense of security. I'd try for something that was built to be what it was, by an engineer, taken care of, powered by motors that where taken care of, and a trailer too. I wouldn't settle for something that is home made.
    Good luck on your moving the in-laws.
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    havin seen Tom;s boat A LOT, i would say its a decent boat for the sound. Any rough weather and you arent going fishing though IMO. He has taken it across in some rough stuff though.
    The cabin is well built so i wouldnt worry about that part too much. A good fly fishing boat and one i wouldnt worry about beaching on a gravel beach.
     
  10. Michael Dunn

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    Fishing the sound. I live on Vashon and would be primarily fishing Dalco/Pont Defiance.
     
  11. hendersonbaylocal

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    OK smart guys... the 13 whaler whatever its called... same boat they have been building for 40 years... you know what I'm talking about.

    I would have said the 17 but it is out of his price range. That is truly one of the greats. I have been in some nasty weather in both the 13 and the 17 and have nothing but good things to say about them. Probably 300+ days over the past 5 years coaching sailing out of whalers and small inflatables. Family had 13s and 17s. The 13 is a bit low for freeboard and the older ones don't have the deep vee so they're a bit more uncomfortable in big waves and fairly damp but they are stable as all heck. The 17 simply rocks. Not protected at all, but a good flyfishing boat. Lots of open space and they hold their value like gold. If you could, I'd spend the extra dough and shoot for the 17 and just do it once.
     
  12. hikepat

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    A few things to think about before buying a boat. Really think about what its going to be used for and what is right for me most likely is not for you.
    Are you going to have children on board? then high free board and stable boat should be important.

    Do you plan to fish in the rain? You better have some way to get out of it to dry off for a while.

    Do you plan to fish when the water is rough? You will need a boat to handle it.

    Are you able to work on engines? If not you better get a new or newer outboard.

    Can you deal with the smell of a two stroke? If not you better go with a 4-stroke

    How many others will be going out with you? Add up all the body weight and gear and make sure the boat is rated for well over that.

    Where do you plan to launch from and how far do you plan to roam? Make sure the boat can carry plenty of fuel and if traveling any distance from launch point or crossing the Sound from say Redondo to Vashon Island the boat can handle things if they get rough fast. Its funny while that a short run because the water is open from a long ways to the North the right wind can build up a lot of chop in a hurry.

    Traveling before first light, after dark or in the fog then you will need a compass, running lights and a GPS at a minimum for safety.

    What are you towing the boat with? Make sure your truck or car will tow the boat you are looking at. Planning to tow the boat any distance then the boat should be well in the trucks weight ability so you do not strain the transmission unless you have a transmission cooler on the truck.

    Are you planning to fish in shallow water? You will need a boat that does not draw much water when fully loaded and that you can deaden the sound on. This is easier to do with glass boats the aluminum. But both can be done with work.

    Who is going to be on the boat with you and are they able to pee in front of you and any one else fishing around you? Are you going to be able to pee in front of others? If not a boat with some type of closed head compartment is a must.

    Since you are planning to fly fish from you will need to remove as many line grabbers on the boat as possible. If the boat is glass those old holes for screws etc need to be filled in. The less down rigger mountings etc on the boat when you buy the boat the less of this type of work you will need to do.

    I could go on but you get the idea of some of what you need to think about.

    Me I loved my old 15 ft Arima with its 70 HP 2-stroke till I sold it 3 weeks ago but the new 19 ft Seaswirl with its 4-stroke does everything it could do but better and sipping less fuel and I can head out and fish 5-6 days on 40 gal of gas. Those old two stokes go through fuel pretty quickly and the 15 gallons the Arima carried was always gone at each days end of fishing around Vashon, Three Tree Point and Redono do to the water I like to cover looking for fish. Nice thing about both boats was with their small cabins Amie and I can sleep on them over night and get out at first light much easier that having to wake up then drive down the the boat.

    Course no one boat will do every thing and I starting to keep a eye out for a good deal on a Whaler or Livingston not for Puget Sound so much but that really easy to tow down to fish the Shad when they come in or to fish some of our larger lakes for Bass or to take family down to fish smaller lakes using a electric motor. Figure I need something in between the kayaks and the 18 ft boat. There also been talk of picking up a 26" boat just for cruising around the Sound and islands on and of course it would need a dingy. Like I said no one boat is perfect.
     
  13. Origiaonally when I saw HikePat's post I thought he wrote too much. After reading his post it's clear he has fished the sound too. Those Arima's are good boats, That would be my choice. Something to get out of the cold and watch the downriggers. It's not much, but it works. Having a aluminum boat, in my opinion takes more work then a boat desgined to take feul, batteries, a place to get warm, storage, transom for kickers, running lights, a place for the anchor, a driving station, a place to go to the bathroom. What's the difference really when your towing an aluminum boat and glass boat, if they are the same length and your vehicle can handle it. You have to store the same length, you have more weight but it's not you have to carry the boat to the launch. It sounds like Micheal Dunn? (origional poster) lives on Vashon and wants to fish Dolphin point and other local places in the sound.
    My dad and mom have a 12' duraboat with a 9.9 4 stroke at their place on Hood Canal, they will cruise all day in the sun, back and forth, but wouldn't think of getting in it with a decent chop and a cold wind on the water, too cold and uncomfterble, matter of fact I'd be less likely also.
    F.
    HikePat, congrats on the new boat, and can I ask what you fetch for the old one?

    I found it................here is the answer!
    http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/boa/438648308.html
     
  14. Nutty Squirrel

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    Quote: OK smart guys... the 13 whaler whatever its called... same boat they have been building for 40 years... you know what I'm talking about.

    Just giving you a hard time HendersonBay, Whaler's are great! I also fish out of a friends new 15' and it's is a great boat for two people, easy to trailer/launch. A 17' Montauk (Classic Whaler Lines) or 16' Dauntless (V- bow a bit better in chop) would be a dream boat personally if you could purchase with a Yamaha or Honda. Merc and Whaler are owned by the same parent company i think so Merc's are the only power option. I keep telling my wife we really need 3 boats to cover our needs (desires) but she isn't convinced.
     
  15. Nutty, your going to need a new wife if she doesn't understand the needs of 3 types of boats. But this could have to do with the reason i'm still single, not sure.
    F.