Quick primer for the believers in AGW.

Discussion in 'Conservation' started by Klickrolf, Jun 7, 2016.

Tags:
  1. weiliwen

    weiliwen Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2004
    Messages:
    1,167
    Likes Received:
    1,088
    Location:
    Chicago Illinois
    That's a couple, and they're not even climatologists: One's an aerospace engineer ( whose been funded by the Koch Foundation) and the other a geologist (whose assertions were very well refuted by Brian Cox in a video earlier in this thread). Yeah, you're right they're scientists, which is irrelevant - why not get some papers from a volcanologist or herpetologist?

    How about the hundreds, maybe thousands of actual climatologists, who can and do prove the stupidity of these people? It's a question you ignore, except to suggest that all of them are paid by some supposed big money that benefits from proving climate change. Obviously and provably untrue, as a counterpoint to how their opposition are funded.

    You keep dredging up the same types of pseudo-science and posing it as the real thing. It is not.

    I'll ask again: show me a vast, overwhelming majority of strong, peer-reviewed science showing that man has no influence on global climate change. You simply cannot.

    Done and done.
     
    dfl, Golden Trout and cabezon like this.
  2. Yard Sale

    Yard Sale Huge Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2008
    Messages:
    2,711
    Likes Received:
    3,499
    Location:
    The Hood
    I'll just leave this here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environ...s-urge-geological-congress-human-impact-earth

    "The current epoch, the Holocene, is the 12,000 years of stable climate since the last ice age during which all human civilization developed. But the striking acceleration since the mid-20th century of carbon dioxide emissions and sea level rise, the global mass extinction of species, and the transformation of land by deforestation and development mark the end of that slice of geological time, the experts argue. The Earth is so profoundly changed that the Holocene must give way to the Anthropocene."
     
    triploidjunkie and Klickrolf like this.
  3. Golden Trout

    Golden Trout Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2005
    Messages:
    1,517
    Likes Received:
    805
    Location:
    North Central Washington
    dfl likes this.
  4. Klickrolf

    Klickrolf Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2010
    Messages:
    2,070
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Location:
    Klickitat, Washington
    Pretty confident (not sure though) the planet used to exist as a single chunk of land surrounded by water. Referred to as Gondwana or Gondwanaland. The earth had one land mass above the water. This planet has been changing since the big bang or Gaia or God made it.

    This planet has never stopped changing! There has never been a stable earth or a stable climate and there never will be. If you believe removing the human population from the planet will stop the changing you are extremely confused.

    Once again, science...including all peer reviewed published papers have NEVER demonstrated their predictive capacity, they have all failed and failed every time. We have a theory that human CO2 emission must raise the earths temperature but we have no, none, data showing so and no successful predictions. This ain't science folks, it's failed predictions and failed theories.

    Here's more, the search for truth does not apply to climate science!
    http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/28825/
    The non-science of today!
     
    Last edited: Aug 31, 2016
    Alex MacDonald likes this.
  5. weiliwen

    weiliwen Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2004
    Messages:
    1,167
    Likes Received:
    1,088
    Location:
    Chicago Illinois
    Well, at least you're not a Creationist, I'll give that to you.
     
    dfl likes this.
  6. Klickrolf

    Klickrolf Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2010
    Messages:
    2,070
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Location:
    Klickitat, Washington
    Last edited: Sep 1, 2016
    Alex MacDonald likes this.
  7. Golden Trout

    Golden Trout Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2005
    Messages:
    1,517
    Likes Received:
    805
    Location:
    North Central Washington
    Media Research Center (MRC) founded by political conservatives and funded by, you guessed it, exon mobile oil! My socialist info comes from Wikapedia!
     
    dfl likes this.
  8. Alex MacDonald

    Alex MacDonald that's His Lordship, to you.....

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2008
    Messages:
    6,055
    Likes Received:
    3,558
    Location:
    Haus Alpenrosa, Lederhosenland
    Beat me to it, Klickrolf!! Yet another log on the fire of "academic" bullshit. This sort of garbage was just beginning to take place when I retired.
     
  9. FosterSpey

    FosterSpey New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2016
    Messages:
    7
    Likes Received:
    11
    Could you provide the original source and study that proves (not indicates or suggests) that the "increased levels of climate-warming CO2 in the atmosphere at the fastest rate for 66m years ..." Thanks
     
  10. weiliwen

    weiliwen Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2004
    Messages:
    1,167
    Likes Received:
    1,088
    Location:
    Chicago Illinois
  11. FosterSpey

    FosterSpey New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2016
    Messages:
    7
    Likes Received:
    11
    What you have posted is an abstract, that is a summary and the conclusion of a study of the authors. Furthermore, in the abstract it states, "The Palaeocene–Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM) is known at present to have the highest carbon release rates of the past 66 million years, ..." That is the study I want.
     
    Alex MacDonald likes this.
  12. cabezon

    cabezon Sculpin Enterprises

    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2004
    Messages:
    2,460
    Likes Received:
    1,518
    Location:
    Olympia, WA
    Spend $32 and buy the pdf.....
     
    dfl, Golden Trout and weiliwen like this.
  13. weiliwen

    weiliwen Active Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2004
    Messages:
    1,167
    Likes Received:
    1,088
    Location:
    Chicago Illinois
    This is the intellectual laziness that passes for science in the denial group - Nobody handed me the report, so instead of finding a copy myself, I'll just refute it. I showed you where to get it, the rest is your responsibility.
     
    dfl, Golden Trout and cabezon like this.
  14. Shad

    Shad Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2010
    Messages:
    672
    Likes Received:
    779
    Location:
    Elma, WA
    And there it is... our reminder that there is a group of individuals in this country that gets chastised more frequently (and with less cause) than the climate deniers.

    It may surprise some of you to learn that the Christian church holds the position that environmental issues are very important. We figure it's not God's will that we destroy his creation to indulge our sin nature.

    Before anyone jumps on the giant fast ball I just floated you and goes ad hominem on me, I am well aware that the politicians claiming to be Christians today (a collection of bumbling idiots using the name of God to garner votes) don't make it appear that the Church is pro-environment. Rest assured they are politicians before anything, which means they stand for nothing but their own interests in the end.

    Contentious issue, for sure. I take more of a Cliff Mass approach to the argument. The best science available points to AGW being a real thing. Sensational viewpoints, on both sides of the argument, are likely wrong. More likely, the truth lies somewhere in the middle, or, that there is an anthropomorphic effect on climate, but its overall influence is not likely as significant as the hardcores would have you believe.

    All this aside, when we look at the smog in our air, even in remote areas, after long periods of high atmospheric pressure, can some of us honestly not see a very real, tangible reason why we should stop burning fossil fuels? No matter what you believe about global warming, can you deny that the status quo is choking us all to a slow death?
     
  15. Klickrolf

    Klickrolf Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2010
    Messages:
    2,070
    Likes Received:
    1,079
    Location:
    Klickitat, Washington
    Fixed it for ya Bob, and I agree with you except for my "required" fix. Once again there is no substantiating data, only assumptions and guesses and failed predictions. If there were substantiating data it would be front page news in every newspaper worldwide, no one would need to "buy the understanding". Do you disagree?

    Since many of you demand "peer review" in scientific journals you might "learn" something from this. Publishing is very important for those who receive government grants for their work...peer review has now demonstrated to fail as much or more than it self corrects.
    http://reason.com/archives/2016/08/26/most-scientific-results-are-wrong-or-use

    That link only addresses real demonstrable and repeatable science. Climate change predictions have never become "science" because they've failed to predict anything, wrong on polar ice melt, wrong on sea level rise, wrong on catastrophic storms, wrong on ocean PH, wrong on CAGW! Who'd a thunk?

    And a little more about the pause occurring while human release of CO2 has increased dramatically: https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wor...y-alarmists-even-joe-romm-confirms-the-pause/
    The link provides a link to this guys blog and pretty much puts it to bed. Remember, this is catastrophic, an increase of .074C degrees since 1998 but an overall cooling in 2016 to date of .07C since the 1998 El Nino.
    El Nino's and La Nina's create weather spikes but they don't create climate, everyone agrees on this as far as I can determine.

    More on the sun, if you can feel it warming you should be able to assume it causes warming. http://www.vencoreweather.com/blog/...re-important-than-we-though-on-earths-climate.

    And finally, since I've wasted an hour on this, I could have been fishing, I'll leave you with this nice little paper titled "The Spuriousness of Correlations Between Cumulative Values". http://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery...7102071006120122020112069010110098013&EXT=pdf
     
    Alex MacDonald likes this.