Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by golfman44, Nov 10, 2013.
About 8-10 years a go a neighbor up the road a spell shot a huge tom out on the OP. It was damn near some sort of state record: a big, thick, battle scarred cat that was missing all but its thumb toe on one front foot, from a much earlier encounter with a trap. This cat was huge, the mass of the front legs jaw-dropping. The claws awesome- they coulda opened a person up like a zipper. Took three of us to lift it from his truck into a wheelbarrow, where it looked absurdly large spilling over the sides. Can't remember exactly what it weighed/scored, but it was very near to 200lbs. Would not want to come face to face in the woods with a cast ther size.
Don't they take down Elk? I know I'm a little heavy around the mid section but an elk makes me look small!
Two mountain lions having a little talk " What do humans taste like? Chicken maybe? " Second lion " Nope, humans taste like shyt , I never eat the stuff "
I was up on Pilchuck Creek one summer day. I heard one call or scream. I got back in my car and left the area.
I suppose if they are hunger enough, a cougar may attack a human. I know they scare the hell out of horses and a horse would have a much better time fending off a cougar than I would.
They show up frequently on the outskirts of Corvallis... and sometimes in the city. We not only have urban deer that roam around eating the gardens the human citizens provide for them (as the deer assume), but cougars and coyotes sometimes wander down the city streets.
The cougars are primarily looking for the urban deer and house cats... I have no idea what the coyotes are looking for... there hasn't been a road runner in these parts in years.
Virginia, Mia and I go on a hike in one of the nearby forests every Sunday. At some of the trail heads are cougar and bear warning signs. They indicate that you should flare your jacket if approached by a cougar to give the impression you are larger.
I've tried this with co-workers who bother me and flaring my jacket has little or no effect so I'm not so sure about the flaring the jacket bit as a deterrent.
I'm not sure this is still current information but when they banned dogs from Cougar hunts, fewer were being "harvested". One result was that many Cougars were living to older ages. Some well beyond their prime hunting capabilities. Some of these older cats started taking more domestic animals, and started watching campgrounds for stray dogs, kids etc. A few years ago I watched one for a while at Pearrygin Lake State Park, lying on a high outcrop watching the campground. I don't know if this is still a problem or not but a few of the comments above mention cats that were battle scarred or missing toes. In their prime I doubt a cat would risk attacking humans unless provoked or cornered. But older animals have to eat too.
I've seen 3 cougars in all my years spent in the outdoors.
1) One in CA. - it crossed Hwy 1 in front of our car in the Redwoods so. of Crescent City.
2) One while deer hunting in the divide between the Teanaway and Cle Elum watersheds.
3) And one this past summer crossed the logging road in front of my truck just north of North Bend (I posted a poor photo of that one on this forum).
It's cool to know they're out there, but I've come to respect their presence a lot more after reading this ......
Here's a link to a chronological list of cougar on human attacks;
There is a healthy population of coyotes in north Seattle and adjacent suburbs. We've had them den in the hillside above our house in the past and have seen them in our yard. It is part of inadvertent wildlife corridor that connects some steep hillsides, wet ravines and city parks. Signs stapled to power poles in the neighborhood appear regularly announcing missing cats and asking for information leading to their return. Most owners have no idea when they let their tabby out that 1) even housecats are fearsome predators on songbirds and small native mammals, and 2) coyotes love housecat for dinner. Frankly, I'm on the side of the coyotes...
Studies done have shown that conservatively 100's of millions of songbirds die PER YEAR due to house cat predation....
Indoor house cats live 1/3 longer than those that are let outside....
A farmer helped me, after I hit a deer last month. As we walked towards his house, I noticed all these cats running around. I told him that I was surprised to see so many cats, that I thought the coyotes would have got them.
He leaned over to me and whispered, "We get a lot of new cats."
I don't think that is the right attitude to take with you in cougar country. There is plenty of reason to fear and respect them. My guess is even a deer is tougher prey than a human. We're weak, slow, and unaware. My guess is we just don't taste very good!
In all seriousness, David Loy hit it on the head. It's the younger or the older weaker cats that generally cause problems for humans (adults and children) and our pets.
I was playing a good steelhead on a small river that had about a 10 foot high bank behind me, on Vancouver Island, when a cougar stuck its head over the bank behind me to take a look. A fishing friend was on the other side of the pool facing me and yelled. As I turned around the Cougar vanished. I never figured out if the cat was stalking me or just curious. great memory.
I dunno...I'm always armed, spent the last half century wandering around in cat country, and my only unpleasant run-ins have been with humans. But I guess I just don't have the right attitude.
You, no doubt, would taste like shit, but elk are delicious.