Hey Les, What do you mean by "self-bodied"? You have me curious, as I'm a huge fan of the olive hackle and peacock herl body Carey. I prefer to use that fluffy, marabou-like stuff below the hackle tip for the tail--for a touch of movement when the fly is paused and sinking a little. Plus you don't waste as many feathers using them for tails. Same as you, I use the copper wire for reinforcing and ribbing the body. I've heard that copper iridesces when exposed to UV light. Nice combining that element with the peacock herl. This fly makes me look better than I deserve and has saved and made many a fishing day for me. I think the fly should be re-named "The Crutch." Wapsi produces this strung pheasant rump hackle that is not only gorgeously dyed (a deep, vibrant olive), but one of the two strung clumps in the bag has very long hackle tips. I mean they're long enough to properly hackle a Carey tied on a #10 TMC 300 hook. This fly sits at about the max length for a dragonfly nymph--about 50 mm. This is a very nice product. I stumbled upon this product almost two months ago while at Michael and Young's fly shop in Vancouver. I suspect people tying salmon and steelhead flies would be interested in this hackle. Have you seen this Wapsi pheasant rump hackle yet?