Rediculous Guide Prices

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  1. JS

    JS Active Member

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    Hilarious. Buy a boat and see how often you get to fish out of it whilst someone else rows(SPOILER ALERT: If you don't have any friends that row, the answer will be.......NEVER!!!). Also, unless you have spent time on the water fishing from a drift boat, you may need (dependant on your skill set) a guide trip to show you how to row/fish out of a boat. As Rick has mentioned above most of those rates are based on double occupancy, so if you have a friend make him/her come up with the other half.
     
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    Most guides I know are insane. They only charge $350-$450 a day to watch other people fish badly.
     
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    What is your time worth? If you can afford days - not hours - learning a river so as to be reasonably successful - not to mention accessing water not available to you on foot - then paying for a guide isn't worth it. If your time is limited, like most folks, then paying for a guide has value.

    I save up and pay for a couple of guide trips each year and the knowledge I've gain and the overall experience has made everyone of them well worth the $. I know several guides and let me assure you none of them are getting rich. They've made a conscious choice to trade off opportunities to make more money in order to do something they love and are passionate about.
     
  4. JS

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    You beat me to it Rick. That was the biggest disappointment I had six years ago when I purchased my first DB. I had an incredible amount of people willing to go with, but with a disparaging number willing to learn to row.
     
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    Dude,

    Having someone to shoot the shit with and row your ass down the river while maybe giving you some constructive criticism, and/advice might be a great thing for your flyfishing skill set. It's an experience, a one hopefully you'll appreciate for the rest of your life, hell maybe you'll even make a friend. That being said, I don't have a crazy amount of $$$ but maybe 2 or 3 days a year a family member or a buddy will split a drift with our favorite outfitter. In terms of a waded guide trip, unless you're a beginner and/or brand new to an exotic destination, hell with it, I'll take it on myself.
     
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    Bitterroot, a good guide can become a very good long time friend.
     
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    Thomas,

    That price you quote - $350 - $450 - is typically for two people. Share the cost with a friend. As for being over-priced, the objective measure of that would be the free market place of willing buyers and willing sellers. So apparently guide services are not over-priced. Guides I know depend on their wife's job for benefits like health insurance coverage. Guiding is a pretty marginal occupation for most.

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    It's alot of money if all you're paying for is someone to row you around in their boat.

    That's not the reason I hire a guide; I hire a guide because they have a level of expertise that I don't have and I want to learn something from them. I do at least a couple of guided trips a year, and I have learned something from every guide I've used. I haven't felt like I over paid a single time.
     
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    Fair enough. I guess that would be the best of both worlds. I'm fortunate to have fishing buddies that are much more knowledgeable than me and that's a win/win situation as well.
     
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    On that one or two times a year I can afford a guide I ask around, do research, and hire the best guides I can find. I have never regretted hiring a guide. I've had guides teach me more about a river in a day than I could learn in a decade on my own. I've had guides show me fish where I KNEW there weren't fish. Learning on your own is part of the adventure but there are times when having a guide is priceless.
     
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    The OP said $350-450 a person! I would agree 350 to 450 for the boat would be normal for two people to split. $350 to $450 A PERSON is insane no matter how you look at it - IMHO - They would not last long in the portland vancouver area. but with some 7 million people in the seattle area and so few fish I guess these prices are awesome.
     
  12. Thomas Williams

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    I knew I would spark a controversy! Outstanding, I love it. So riddle me this. A guide using the same boat driving the same truck fishing for steelhead and salmon charge $120-$180 per day. Ive seen as low as $100. Yet some how using a fly rod increases the cost by $250-$300. Plus not every guide bases there rates on double occupany. Many do per person and ive seen double occupancy rates up to $500. I also think you guys are off while quoting daily expenses like 20$ for lunch and 50$ for insurance. Thats not a per day expense. You can pull a boat with a $3000 pickup just as easily as a $20,000 truck. Because you decided to buy an expensive vehicle is not justification. like I stated earlier yes there are times when a good guide would be worth every penny( Once in a lifetime trip or a few times a year with a good friend) etc. In fact I learned a lot about fishing for steelhead that I wouldnt have if I had not hired a guide. A true and experienced guide is worth the money. A hired rower is worthless. And by the way if anyone wants to split expenses on a fishing trip with their boat. I am more than willing and able to row my share.
     
  13. Rick Todd

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    Thomas-I just Googled Salmon guides in WA and the first three were $350, $400 and $400 for two anglers for a day. So maybe $50-$100 more to fish the Yak with a guide. If you have ever fished for salmon in a river with conventional gear, (like pulling plugs) it is a lot less labor intensive than what a fly fishing guide does, but like someone else said, it is a market set rate, and maybe fly fishers are more willing or able to spend the money. I do know that the shop or outfitter gets 1/2 of the fee and the guide the other half, out of that they buy lunch, usually provide flies, have nice fairly expensive fly rods for clients to use, own and maintain their drift boat, and pay for the rest of their overhead, so none of them are getting fat on this. I've also paid a lot more than this for guided salmon fishing in Southeast Alaska. Rick
     
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    Alaska I can understand. Its hard to beat that type of quality. However I can name at least 5 reputable guides who will quote you $150 or under without a 2 person minimum to chase salmon and steelhead sun up to sun down on the OP. Bring your own lunch!
     
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    If it such a lucrative market why doesn't the OP get into this overpriced gig.:D At his suggested price of a hundred bucks a day, even I will be lined up for a week on the Clearwater, a week on the Yak and another week over on the peninsula.:D I prefer Sage or Winston Rods and Abel or Sarricione reels.:D Tho in desperation I have been known to use pre WW 2 Hardys and modern Bougles. Waiting for the PM to confirm dates.;)