Rediculous Guide Prices

bennysbuddy

the sultan of swing
#46
A friend guides 200 days/year. About 1/3 of that's in Idaho, where he makes a share of that $450/day. The other 2/3 is his own gig in NorCA. Lets say 130 days @ $400 and 70 days @? benifit of the doubt say 250, though I doubt it's that much. That's an annual gross of $76,000. Taxes, insurance, depreciation on boat, trailer, truck,fuel and other o'head; I'd say he's lucky to net 2/3 of that (at best). That's an annual income of $50K with no benefits. Not a lot for someone with an MBA and scratch golfer.
They are hiring at boeing !!!!!
 

Kcahill

Active Member
#47
Im sure I may be offending some with this post and for that I apologize. Just wanted to get other people takes on the value of the trips available.
350-450 is on the cheaper side, east coast(carolinas to the keys) guides run around 600ish a day, on the gulf side they are a little cheaper not much. In the tropics you are probably looking at 250ish walk and wade and 400ish + for a flats boat(and those are not full days). Serious salt water fishing(gear or fly) will run you anywhere from 125 each with 6 guys to 700ish+ if you want the boat to yourself.

I dont understand why people complain about guide prices, if you don't want to pay it...then don't.


I fish with a guide 5-10 times a year while traveling on business when I get a day off in a strange land, and only once have I ever thought it was not worth the money.
 

Chris Bellows

Your Preferred WFF Poster
#48
Comparing gear guides with fly fishing guides is silly. Comparing freshwater guide rates with saltwater guide rates is even sillier.

Heck, even comparing the price per person for a 6-pack charter in the ocean with a boat that fishes 20+ is crazy. There are all kinds of variables that come into play when guiding.

Signed,
Failed Guide who did not charge enough to cover costs
 

dflett68

Active Member
#49
While all the expenses are tax deductable, they are still expenses that come out of that $400/day. If one accurately accounts for all the business-related expenses, there is often not a lot of real profit left at the end of the year - much less than many of us, including me, would be willing to work for.
truth. taxes are just one line in the expense section of a p&l statement. people talk about tax deductible items as if the government somehow pays you back for them. if you buy a rod and don't pay taxes on it, you've still bought the rod. these guys aren't making any serious money unless they are part of a larger operation which can consolidate and absorb overhead expenses across multiple (and profitable) revenue streams. even then, the person making the money would be the owner of that operation, not the guide, unless they were the same person. the op claimed to have a list of reputable guides who charge $150 to fish sunup to sundown. but he still hasn't offered any names, and, no pun intended, that's the bottom line.
 
#50
the op claimed to have a list of reputable guides who charge $150 to fish sunup to sundown. but he still hasn't offered any names, and, no pun intended, that's the bottom line.
I think he's talking jet sled outfits that take out four or more people, or six pack charters in the salt.
 
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golfman65

Guest
#51
I think this would be a good spot for yuhina to explain the physic's of guiding!!!

If I hire a guide, I want Pan as he's the "herb guide" at his spot and that's no bacon....

I would rather fish with a stranger and catch fish any day over fishing with a friend and not...hell go to a bar if that's what's important to you...IMHO that is..
 

Rick Todd

Active Member
#53
I always thought that fishing was supposed to be fun. You take the price of hiring a guide then the fun as I see it goes out of it.. Being that I'm a cheap bastard, I go when the mood strikes me. But I have never in my time of fishing ever hired a guide. To me if fishing was work I wouldn't do it.
So you have never hired a guide? So how do you know that you wouldn't like it? I bet if I paid for a guided trip for you with one of the excellent guides in Dillon, you would have an absolute ball! (and even an old fly fisher like you would learn something!)
 
#54
so i have to chime in ya it cost a little bit but the guide hase to make a living just like the
rest of us small business owners do and every one need to start supporting american business not japan china or any other country that pays very little for there labor if we start paying american workers the money will soon be in your hands and you could spend a little more because you made more. support local economy it will work. I had a bad year last year i needed to get that off my chest thank you. now you can attack me.
 
#55
The OP said $350-450 a person! I would agree 350 to 450 for the boat would be normal for two people to split. $350 to $450 A PERSON is insane no matter how you look at it - IMHO - They would not last long in the portland vancouver area. but with some 7 million people in the seattle area and so few fish I guess these prices are awesome.
Who is the OP?
 

Brian Miller

Be vewy vewy qwiet, I'm hunting Cutthwoat Twout
#58
...If one accurately accounts for all the business-related expenses, there is often not a lot of real profit left at the end of the year - much less than many of us, including me, would be willing to work for. Guiding is exhausting work. Like any small service business, what the clients see is only part of the guide's workday which often starts hours before clients arrive and ends hours after they leave...
I completely agree with everything you said Sue, and am not disputing the cost, the value, or the hard work that a good Guide provides (and the personal sacrifices they make to do so) to clients who decide they have the disposable income to afford the services.

Priorities...
 
#59
Hell, Rick, pay to take me on a guided trip in the Dillon area. I'll say I liked it and then say so would have OMJ. And we can start another thread.
Not sure why we're busting guides' chops here. I've fished with several and every one, except one miserable guy who was added on to have enough guides for our party and clearly wanted to be elsewhere (he kept saying as much) was well worth the money. And I don't have nearly as much as I used to. The ones I know bust their hump from early morning till early evening trying to help you catch fish and give you special memories. And then they go home and get ready for the next day if they are lucky enough to be booked. See, that's one of the problems--they might not be. A lot of downtime in that business, what with weather, blown rivers, and who knows what else. And when they work, they get to fish with some great folks. And, a helping of flaming jackasses. You know, I wish that I could be a guide--but, there's no way I would. The pay just isn't there.