Redington CT & Sage LL

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  1. Porter

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    Thanks for the report. What I would say is that you might have a change of opinion, or maybe not, if you casted more than one set example. You compared a 2 piece to a 4 piece, and there was 3" difference too. The LL was made from two different graphites, the earlier version was made from graphite II while later models were made from graphite III. Which do you have? ....And I'm not even sure how much of a difference that makes. I have not played around or casted the shorter CT rods. I have only the 389-4 LL to compare to the 386-4 CT and the 904-4 CT. I thought in this example set they possesed some similarities. But my LL is of the limited run classic (500 made), it is graphite III, and not even sure if it is comparable to the older LL rods. But I do like it! I think this comparing the CT and LL is really a mixed basket of fruit and difficult to compare truly. If that makes any sense?
     
  2. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

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    Porter's post above reminds me that I agree with both he and wichaka that the CT bears almost no resemblance to the LL. Yes, they both have somewhat slow, delicate actions that are best suited to fishing for smaller fish close in. But beyond that, they're as different as Fords and Chevys. I think folks who maintained that the CT was built on the same taper as the LL earlier were doing so for rhetorical effect, not a statement of fact.

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  3. wichaka

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    My LL is a Graphite II, so it is the original early model.

    I agree there are differences in the models...height and piece number 2 vs 4. But not sure anyone will be able to a definitive comparison unless both are exactly the same in those two areas. Since they are not, don't think tapers etc could be compared as they would be different as well.

    The shorter could be faster, am not discounting that as a possibility. Generally if you take the same size diameter of anything and make it shorter, it tends to feel stiffer.

    Kent, as for your comment about "...no rod manufacturers refer to their products' actions as 'slow'?" I may have to rethink the action of the LL. It may be more on the slow-med side of things, than right in the middle of actions...with that being med.

    I understand the mixed bag of fruit thing. But other than the difference in piece numbers, if the height is close...its about all we can hope for.

    I still think there was too much difference in the rods that 3" would cure. As for the piece difference, am not an expert on rod building, so don't know the total effect that would have.
     
  4. Porter

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    I agree with everything you and kent said. I believe you can only evaluate youself on the rods. Even when doing the so called apples to apples comparison you could be comapring a granny smith to a fuji. I have two xp's same models (896-4) but made two years apart according to their serial numbers, and they are different to some degree. I have done a side to side with them/same reel/same SA WF8 line and one is defintely more tippy than the other. There are some minor differences too, guides are slightly in different positioning, cork is thicker on one and narrower on the other.
     
  5. Jim Wallace

    Jim Wallace Smells like low tide.

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    I have both the 7'6" and 8'6" 4-pc CTs in 3 wt size. The 8'6" definitely feels a bit slower than the 7'6" when casting my 3 wt DT line that I have on my Drift 3/4 reel. Must have to do with their different tapers.
    I suppose it would help if I added that this comparison was with about 20' to 30' of line out. And my leader looks like its about 8.5' to 9' tapered to 4x with a #14 Royal Coachman dry, cut off at the bend.
     
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    I also have both lengths of the 3wt CTs and agree with Jim about the longer rod feeling slower.
     
  7. Mark Mercer

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    It's very common for longer rods in the same line weight to be slower than there shorter counterparts. I've found this to be true with almost all rod series and manufactures, there could be exceptions but I haven't found any myself.
    Interesting comparison wichaka, thanks for your effort and report.
     
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    Wichaka, the idea of casting in the dark so that you concentrate on the feel of the rod and line is brilliant. A great learning tool for any caster.
     
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    In talking to some rod people, it seems that when you have a certain model of rod it will keep the same taper throughout that rod model line. The taper starts at the tip, and gradually gets larger the longer the rod is. So if this is true, the longer CT will end up with a slightly larger butt section?

    The tips should be the same, as well as the mid section, which is where the rod casts from, but the butt section where one fights the fish will be different. Not sure how this changes the feel of the cast, but I would think it would change something.

    Now I wonder if one were to cast the 8'6" CT by holding where the grip would be for the 7'6", if that would make the cast feel different?
     
  10. Kyle Smith

    Kyle Smith DBA BozoKlown406

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    I'm still kicking myself for not getting a CT 2wt while they were $75 last fall. Would've made a great mountain crick rod for late summer hiking.
     
  11. Yak

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    Quick comment on the differences with LL rods. I owned a 389-2LL GII and then moved to the GIII version. GII is different and slower. I also own the 389-4LL Classic (GIII) and it is even stiffer and feels more like a 4 wt when compared with the 2 pc GIII version. So yes IMO I do think there is a difference in these three 389LL rods especially going from GII 2 pc to the GIII 4 pc.

    So maybe the comments on the CT being somewhat similar to LL is based on a GIII 4 pc. It would certainly be closer than the GII 2 pc.
     
  12. Dipnet

    Dipnet The wanted posters say Tim Hartman

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    Just today ordered a CT 480-4 for $80 with shipping included. Just for giggles I think I'm gonna hang a Martin MG3 that I bought back in the '70s on it. I'd almost forgotten I had this reel until I uncovered it in the garage a couple of months ago. I'm looking forward to tossin' this setup in the Kitsap and OP lakes and streams!:cool:
     
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    I couldn't stand it any longer and picked up a 9' 4wt CT at the closeout price. I took it out fishing this weekend and now have some feedback. I have 2 LL's, a 9' 5wt, and a 7'11" 4wt. My opinion is, as others have stated, that the CT is a nice casting rod, but the action is not that similar to either of the LL's. The CT is faster and tippier. The LL's are slower and flex deeper into the butt. I think the action of the CT will make it more versatile, but the LL will still be my goto dry fly rod.
     
  14. Stew McLeod

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    I missed this sale too but thanks to a board member here, I bought one a couple months back.

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    If anyone know of a place that still has a 2 or 3 wt CT I'd love to hear about it. Always late to the party...