Restricting Guides Services on Some Rivers?

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  1. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    Excellent! We will now ban Spey Fishing for steelhead, and nymphing for trout! It works! Right? Except Dustin is gonna cheat!
     
  2. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    NOTICE: Here's a fact I just confirmed with a favorite fly shop of mine. They have 178 people "signed up" for their "Introduction to Fly Fishing" classes for the time frame from January to July. So..... "welcome new fly fisher's, but could you please scoot over a little ways away from me? You're bumping my elbows, thank you". DFL ------ I'm not sure what to say right now, but, you get the point. We need more guides on our rivers!!!!! Not to mention, elbow room..... wholly crap!
     
  3. Benjy

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    I think that the biggest problem with guides out here is the total lack of barrier to entry into guiding. There are people advertising all over Craigslist. IMO a guide should at a minimum be required to carry insurance and first aid/CPR. I would prefer that a guide had to have a WFR certification and Swiftwater Rescue I. Anyone can be a guide here, I have a boat, maybe I'll just pay my $40 and call myself a guide? I would love to see no fishing from boats, on some rivers.
     
  4. Dustin Bise

    Dustin Bise Active Member

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    sounds good to me since i nymph for steel and prefer dries for trout. and i dont own a spey rod. :) damn im not even gonna get my new camo waders and ninja mask out of the package.
     
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    Dustin Bise Active Member

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    While anyone can be a guide, not every guide service can launch 10 boats a day on the same river :p
     
  6. rick matney

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    What about having to pass a fish conservation and handling test/class to get a license in that state. Something I would like to see done here in MT for a hunting license. Added small fee to the license to cover cost. Education over regulation........?
     
  7. John Hicks

    John Hicks Owner and operator of Sea Run Pursuits

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    Ouch! watch out Reds. LOL funny to see them hammer the Met this fall. Well actually not funny.
     
  8. Don Freeman

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    Benjy gets it. They used to make it tough in Oregon. To be recognized by the Oregon guides and Packers, you had to have all the above, plus be sponsored by two current members and voted in. When you hired a certified guide, you knew what you were getting. I had to do all that just to row splash and giggle trips.
     
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    Did you see that one part, where I said I was speaking from a trout guy's experience? Rarely use beads for trout. They do WORK GREAT when you're matching the hatch though.

    Just because you use a less effective method of fishing - doesn't mean you're a better fisherman or even a more responsible fisherman.

    Your goal is still to stick a trout in the lip and fight it in- just like everyone else.
     
  10. Don Freeman

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    Just checking, bustin, are you calling me out? Because I'm not going to bite. I'm sure I can get punched here locally without driving clear across the state.
     
  11. Dustin Bise

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    Haha no its not like that. Im not a violent person.
     
  12. Benjy

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    HUGE problem in Montana. Outfitters should be limited to one boat per access site per day.
     
  13. Chris Bellows

    Chris Bellows Your Preferred WFF Poster

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    for every "good" guide there are 5-10 (or more) who could give a rip about the resource. been to a commission meeting on protecting wild steelhead? count the guides. then count the guides in favor of protecting wild steelhead. do you think you will make it past one hand. check and see how many washington state steelhead guides donate trips to wild fish conservation organizations. can you make it past a hand? how many guides do you think fished the quillayute system on president day's weekend? i think you would run out of fingers and toes counting.

    look at the blogs and websites of guides fishing rivers barely making or missing escapement. do you read about conservation? or is it just hero shot after hero shot with talk about how great the fishing is. guidespeak and reality do not meet.

    it sucks that the number of rivers open to fishing keep declining along with the fish runs, but we do have an issue with the number of boats and guides on our rivers. there are ideas worth investigating to help improve not only the fishing experience but also to possibly help some of the returning fish.
     
  14. Evan Burck

    Evan Burck Fudge Dragon

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    Education should be required just to fish for any wild fish in this state in my opinion. Further education/safety courses should be required for guides.
     
  15. Andrew Lawrence

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    Speaking strictly in regards to wild steehead fisheries on the O.P., I would love to see a ban on fishing from boats. However, I doubt that the state would find value in the conservation benefit such a rule would entail, due to the fact that quite a few of the steelhead runs on the O.P. are considered healthy enough to allow an angler to harvest 1 wild steelhead per year. However, I suppose that one might be able to make a decent case for such a rule in sections of rivers where selective gear rules are in effect.

    Furthermore, I am not so sure that limiting the number of guides will make much of a difference. However, using a raffle system to issue a limited number of boat permits using some sort of tier system to assign priority to certain user groups might not be a bad idea. For example, locals get first priority. (In other words, this would be the user group who gets the majority of the boat permits.) Those ouside of lets say the zip code get second priority. Those outside of the state get third priority. (In other words, the lesser number of boat permits are issued to this user group.) Anyhow, these are my thoughts on the matter.

    Regards,

    Andrew