reverse spider?

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  1. troutman101

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    What, my description not enough? I thought folks could visualize a carrot shaped body 2/3 of the length of the shank.
     
  2. Preston

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    Just a couple of points on tying the Reversed Spider:
    Tie the tip of the hackle (duck flank, Amherst tippet, golden pheasant tippet) in immediately behind the eye of the hook, with the tip pointing aft and the quill pointing out over the eye and curving down. After securing the hackle you can cut the tip away, wind the thread back to a point on the shank in front of the hook point and tie the tip in for the tail. As pointed out above, the total body length should be only about 2/3 of the shank length.

    Wind the hackle on from front to back, each turn immediately behind the one in front. It helps to fold the hackle and to stroke the fibers forward while winding the hackle on. Secure it and clip off the excess. Start the chenille at the mid-point between the tail and hackle. Wind it forward over the base of the hackle and right up to the eye. Reverse the chenille and wrap over the first wraps and back to the tail. This accomplishes two things; the first wraps help to force the hackle into a narrow cone and to support them in the water, and overwrapping the chenille forms a nice taper in the body.

    The last step is, of course, to do a whip-finish at the rear of the body. If the fly is going to come to pieces, this is where it will happen, so a drop of head cement here is good insurance.
     
  3. twodogs

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    Twodogs.

    Thanks Preston. Nice detail which I will try tonight.
     
  4. ceviche

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    I was just over at Patrick's and apparently Les Johnson and Preston Singletary have been hard at work. The boxes are full of reverse spiders in a couple of colors and body styles. I was told the both of them taught the house tier how it's done. For all you non-tiers, strike while the iron is hot! :THUMBSUP
     
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    Hey Preston,

    What do you think of my Reverse Spiders above? Are the proportions okay? No Amherst feathers, but would it make that much of a difference?

    Ciao!
    --Dave E.
     
  6. troutman101

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    Nice!

    Here is some good criticism:

    1) shape the body much more carrot like. Taper the chenille which would be fat at the eye and thin at the tail.

    2) use less tail and make sure to keep it on top of the hook shank.
    Also make them a little shorter, just to keep from getting short strikes which is all so common with SRC's.

    3) only use 2/3rds of the shank for the body so there will be enough to hook properly.

    Otherwise, nice work. Did you whip finish by hand?
     
  7. ceviche

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    Thanks for the tips! I will give them all a try as soon as I get offline. :BIGSMILE And, yes, I whip finish by hand--no tools involved. That's not because I don't have a whip finish tool, but because I haven't mastered the one that came with my Cabela's tying kit. :BLUSH
     
  8. jditto

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    in the above photo it looks like the hackle is wrapped around the hook, kind of like a collar. is that true? also, would it be rude or improper to ask the address/phone of patricks? jer
     
  9. ceviche

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    Yes, the hackle is wrapped around the hook behind the eye like a collar. Doing that can be a bit of a pain, though--for the novice that I am. As far as the address/phone for Patrick's, here it is:

    Patricks Fly Shop
    2237 Eastlake Avenue East, Seattle, WA 98102
    (206) 325-8988
    (800) 398-7693 (toll-free)
     
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    cool! thanks for the info. jer
     
  11. Whitey

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    Tied about a dozen spiders, reverse spiders today. I'm having a hard time with a whip finisher on the reverse spider with all the feathers in the way. anybody got an easy solution? :DUNNO YT
     
  12. ceviche

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    Don't use a tool and use your hands instead. This way you can create a large enough loop to go over the feathers and only around the chenille. :pROFESSOR DNE
     
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    I have a article on the reversed spyder. It's from Fly Tying magazine fall of 97. I would be more than happy to scan the article and send email it to you.

    RJ
     
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    Reeltrout : Go see Mike Kinney at Creekside. Some credit Mike with the creation of this fly. It is really a weird looking fly with hackle tied forward of the head of the hook. I learned how to tie it a month ago but missed the sea run cutt fishing due to extended soccer season. Good luck.

    You might also try Swede's fly shop in Woodinville for materials.
     
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    Here's a photo of a couple of reverse spiders that I tied. They were inspired by Preston's directions, the examples I saw at Patrick's Fly Shop, and the picture in the Inland Empire Fly Fishing Club's _Flies of the Northwest_. I am far from an expert tier, and these are hardly as nice as the ones I saw at Partick's (done with Amherst feathers) or the one in Flies of the Northwest. Still, I hope they will soon earn me some SRC's in the near future. I hope the photo works out. It was shot at the lowest resolution setting on my digital camera just to make the size limitation for photos.

    Tight Lines!