Rio new line - Scandi Short VersiTip - compressed

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  1. yuhina

    yuhina Tropical member

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    Cool, Ian
    I would love to read some report!

    just realized Airlfo has a very similar product (a bit longer, but similar taper and interchangeable tips). The Tactical Steelhead Line
    description from the Rajeff sport website...

    Take the tight loop and casting ease of a Scandi Compact head and couple it to the versatility of a multi-tip line and you have the basis for the Airflo Tactical Steelhead shooting head. To help cut through the wind and to make casting modest sink tips and larger flies easier, the Tactical Steelhead has a larger tip diameter than the Scandi compact. With a smooth front taper and removable floating tip the newest two-hand line from Airflo will convert from a floating line to sink tip better than any existing line. This new head will change the way many people fish.
     
  2. NCL

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    I am also very interested in your report. I have been looking at that line now for the past two weeks and I am still on the fence if I should purchase or not.
     
  3. Ian Broadie

    Ian Broadie Flyfishing is so "Metal"

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    I received my Scandi Short VersiTip early last week and finally got a chance to fish fish it last weekend and some during the week. I tried it out on two different rods, the first an Echo 2 12' 4" 7wt Scandi and the second a Diawa 12' UK rated 8/9 traditional action (Diawa rod is the most under rated rod I own). I chose both rods because I use them for same function, tight quarters, and my mood is the only reason why I would pick one rod over another :D.

    I had a big fancy writeup half way done but time is thwarting me, so here is the cliff note version. This head is a best of both worlds Skagit/Scandi line, it did very well on both rods mentioned above. It cast really well in tight quarters casting on a smaller river with the type 3 sink tip and a fairly large fly. It also did quite nicely as a dry line with the floating tip and a fairly long leader, 10', for putting down a more delicate presentation or skating flies.

    All in all it lives up to the billing from the video and I would recommend getting it for shorter spey or switch rods. I did not get a chance to try it on a single hander as I was using the 8wt head but I can see myself getting the 5/6 to use with my 10' 8wt single hand rod.

    Oh, one more note... the primary difference between the Rio Scandi Short and the Ariflo Tactical Steel head is the length and based on that difference I can fish the Tactical Steel head on a 13'6" rod with little trouble but Scandi Short not so great on a 13'6" rod. Yes the scandi short can be fished on a longer rod but to me it would defeat the purpose of the head.

    Thank you,

    Ian
     
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    Oh, one more note... the primary difference between the Rio Scandi Short and the Ariflo Tactical Steel head is the length and based on that difference I can fish the Tactical Steel head on a 13'6" rod with little trouble but Scandi Short not so great on a 13'6" rod. Yes the scandi short can be fished on a longer rod but to me it would defeat the purpose of the head.

    Thank you,

    Ian[/QUOTE]

    Ian,

    Thanks for the report, the above quote really helped because I was thinking about fishing this line on a 13 foot rod. What weight line were you fishing?

    Mitch
     
  5. Ian Broadie

    Ian Broadie Flyfishing is so "Metal"

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    I was using the 8wt 485gr head.... and one more note. I decided to get down and dirty fishing for pink salmon and being the purist that I am I was able to turn over an 1/8 ounce jig so this line has some ooomph to it for turning over just about anything.... did I say I fished a jig on a two handed fly rod... um... well... "These are not the droids you are looking for..move along." :D
     
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    DoubleL A guy who loves to fish

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    Looks like a good line. Airflo has a new shooting head called the Rage that sounds similar to the new Rio line. I have one on the way for my 5126. The Tactical Steelhad line is more like the Delta taper, but in shooting head form and seems to do better on a 13+ rod with a longer stroke - good line and very versatile for fall steelhead.
     
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    Thanks for the report! Ian,
    Sounds great!! really love the comparison!

    Mark
     
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    Got my 5 weight line last weekend, and finally test it yesterday. In short, this line is caster friendly, actually, I have found the commercial statement from RIO is right "it is impossible to NOT cast well!". A very nice design for short spey rod and switch rod.
    That's said "everyone can cast a scandi head" and that is true for this scandi versi tip line also. the interchangeable tips are just make this line more powerful and caster friendly. I was casting the 5 weight 320 grain line with my 7 weight rod (a very good way to test if the line is sensitive to hand enough) and as I have found this line design is almost perfect to feel the load, preferable for medium and small flies. The short/skinny back taper has put more feel to the caster and easy for caster to load up the rod... It is easy and very smooth to cast into fishing distance. I highly recommend this line.
    Mark



    a short clip - 320 grain 5 weight Rio Versitip / with 8-9 ips factory sinktip. the rod is 7 weight 12' ( optimal matched with 480 Skagit short.), but still can feel this line well..
     
  10. Rick Rod

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    What would you guys recommend for a Beulah Plat. 12'6" 6wt spey rod. Website has it listed for a 400 Scandi and 425 Skagit. Should I go with
    the 370 6wt or the 425 7wt?

    Rick
     
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    For this particular RIO Scandi line. I think both line will work on your rod. It depends on your casting style. If you like to cast the rod more like scandi underhand style, as I show in the video (right off the tip). You will like the 370 6wt. If you like more relax long stroke and sustain anchor style. The 7 wt will work for you. keep in mind though, this line is still a "scandi line", so it is a joy to cast it off the tip and enjoy it on a medium or small fly. If you really need to heck a big heavy fly. I will suggest direct go for Skagit compact. So my choice on your rod would be a 6 wt line.
    Mark
     
  12. shotgunner

    shotgunner Anywhere ~ Anytime

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    Thanks for the in depth report yuhina. There were a couple of these as demos at our fall 'Speyfest', curtesey of a guy that played significant role in design. They were so popular I never did get the chance to try one all day. Rave reviews from those who did all the way round. Maybe next time..
     
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    Mark thanks alot

    Rick
     
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    Tips are included in grain weight as well. 90 grain tips. So 540 grain 9 weight is a 450 grain head. Rio recommended the 9 weight specifically for my 8 weight 11 foot St. Croix Imperial switch. St. Croix actually recommended a 400 grain line for the 8 weight ( I'm assuming they just meant the head), but I took Rio's advice and bumped it up to the 9. Hope I made the right choice, and it doesn't overload!
     
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    "Hope I made the right choice, and it doesn't overload!" It shouldn't. All rods have a 'grain range' that can be pretty wide. As long as you're 'inside that number' your rod (one line weight up) will work fine. Where you'll find this of benefit is with larger/heavier/wind resistant flies.

    With my two handers (one notable exception being the 3 wt) I've always had the best luck lining my rods in the upper half of that range.