RIP Chris Kyle

Citori

Piscatorial Engineer
#16
Thank you, and totally agree, Jerry. My post was not intended to create debate or conflict. Having said that, the discussion clearly should include how we repay the debt of honor we incurred when we asked or allowed others to go in harm's way on our behalf. Clearly, that debt remains unpaid.
 

jimmydub

Active Member
#17
I hope this thread stays around, not as a "gun" thread, but rather to educate those of us who don't understand PTSD. By doing this we can honor Chris Kyle, and his service both in and out of uniform.
A properly hijacked thread? I like it.

I hope others with knowledge of PTSD come out and talk about it. There are so many negative views out there of people with mental illness, it would be a great to see a change regarding those views.

Tragically, when people get to the place where the gunman did in this situation, they are often subconsciously attempting to recover, but can't break the grip. They are reliving the very experience that traumatized them in the first place, only doing so completely confined to the experiences inside their bodies. The brain and body are not communicating properly, and the brain maps out a solution to escape the stress. The brain can't identify a source of stress causing the intense emotions, and wraps itself up in ever tightening knots. The body becomes hyper-aroused, the brain becomes hyper-anxious, and terrible actions are made.

An example of traumatic re-enactment is probably being played out in Alabama with the hostage situation. The man took the boy prisoner in an ambush, then escaped underground to a confined room. The man is a known Vietnam vet, and has a long history of PTSD. I don't think it's too hard to imagine this guy having been ambushed and taken prisoner (or had a buddy taken prisoner) in one of the vast networks of tunnels that were used heavily by communist forces during the war. If there was a backdrop for the whole thing, it could be played on the same stage without adjusting too many props.

Without treatment, the man has probably been re-traumatized repeatedly because of his inability to escape the moment. That's just more and more really terrible energy being stored up, needing a release. I think I read that he was awaiting trial for shooting at his neighbors over a recent dispute; that was another situation in which he was acting out. He didn't succeed in healing, so it got worse. The next time he lashed out, he killed a man and changed the lives of multiple children on the bus, especially the one he took hostage.

Most important, though, is getting that kid out and getting him and his family/their friends trauma counseling.
 

Jerry Daschofsky

Moderator
Staff member
#18
Thank you, and totally agree, Jerry. My post was not intended to create debate or conflict. Having said that, the discussion clearly should include how we repay the debt of honor we incurred when we asked or allowed others to go in harm's way on our behalf. Clearly, that debt remains unpaid.
No worries. I wasn't talking about you. I was going to post about him as well since I work with helping people with ptsd. I know his cause and respect what he was doing. I don't want it tarnished with a gun debate.
 

Salmo_g

Well-Known Member
#22
PTSD gone very, very bad. I read that Chris leaves a wife and children behind. I wonder if his buddy did as well. Very sad situation for families and friends.

Sg
 

Old Man

Just an Old Man
#23
What the hell are they training the troops with to cause all this PTSD. After your tour of duty, they should lock you away to make sure you are sane enough to go back into the masses. I don't believe that the boys from the second world war came back with killing on their minds.

Did they all learn to kill at 1000 yards.

Sorry for this if I don't understand how the boys are trained anymore. But maybe they should change their training methods. Keeping one alive is one thing, but teaching to kill is another.
 

Jerry Daschofsky

Moderator
Staff member
#25
What the hell are they training the troops with to cause all this PTSD. After your tour of duty, they should lock you away to make sure you are sane enough to go back into the masses. I don't believe that the boys from the second world war came back with killing on their minds.

Did they all learn to kill at 1000 yards.

Sorry for this if I don't understand how the boys are trained anymore. But maybe they should change their training methods. Keeping one alive is one thing, but teaching to kill is another.
Jim, it's not their training. It's what they had to deal with. It's a totally different war then fought in WWII. I've heard too many stories that just made me cringe. Could see how some could turn. BUT, at same time, those that turn that I know would never go on a shooting rampage, just a drinking rampage (and have seen it unfortunately). Those that have served in OIF/OEF in those roles could expand much more.
 

Old Man

Just an Old Man
#26
Jim, it's not their training. It's what they had to deal with. It's a totally different war then fought in WWII. I've heard too many stories that just made me cringe. Could see how some could turn. BUT, at same time, those that turn that I know would never go on a shooting rampage, just a drinking rampage (and have seen it unfortunately). Those that have served in OIF/OEF in those roles could expand much more.
Thank you.