River closure

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by skyrise, Jan 3, 2014.

  1. cuponoodle breakfast

    cuponoodle breakfast la flama blanca

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    A steelhead is a rainbow that migrates out to sea.
    Would you call a lake run cutthroat a sea run cutthroat?
    Would you call a searun sockeye a kokanee?
     
  2. Jason Rolfe

    Jason Rolfe Wanderer

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    Exactly. That's what I've been thinking.
     
  3. ambassadeur10000

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    the definition is given by humans---it doesn't make it true---only the man upstairs knows
     
  4. cuponoodle breakfast

    cuponoodle breakfast la flama blanca

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    That makes no sense.
     
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    The only characteristic that distinguishes a steelhead from a rainbow trout is that steelhead are anadromous. Anadromy is defined as spawning in freshwater and migrating to saltwater. The GL are not salt. There are lots of populations of adfluvial rainbow trout in the world, and that is what GL "steelhead" are, adfluvial rainbow trout. Genetics is irrelevant because genetics has no bearing on migrating between fresh and saltwater. Nor does it have anything to do with God, since the names of fish and the definition of anadromy were developed by humans. Good grief.

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  6. fishbadger

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    They're steelhead.

    There. . .that settles it.

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  7. The Duke

    The Duke Been around

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    I just asked the man upstairs. He said that GL rainbows are not steelhead. Problem solved ;)
     
  8. Jason Rolfe

    Jason Rolfe Wanderer

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    The man upstairs sounds like some kind of creepy uncle, and I wouldn't want to ask a creepy uncle about anything. So...
     
  9. FinLuver

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    So what is the salinity of the various Great Lakes versus the Ocean?

    And at what point do we call something "salt water", "brackish water" as in estuaries, and "fresh water"?
     
  10. PT

    PT Physhicist

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    a·nad·ro·mous
    əˈnadrəməs/
    adjective
    Zoology
    adjective: anadromous
    1. 1.​
      (of a fish, such as the salmon) migrating up rivers from the sea to spawn.
     
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  11. Charles Sullivan

    Charles Sullivan dreaming through the come down

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    In the same way that atlantics in a lake are landlocked Salmon and kokanee are landlocked Sockeye, I would say that the GL fish are landlocked steelhead. They are steelhead in genetics and behavior. They just can't make it to the sea. They are landlocked, and they are steelhead. Landlocked steelhead.

    BTW- They are gosh darn fun to catch. I only wish the streams draining the GL tribs were longer so they behaved more like our fish.

    Go Sox,
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  12. Darthmonkey

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    All the psych majors must be cackling with glee having found the WFF megalomaniac.
     
  13. golfman44

    golfman44 4-Time Puget Sound Steelhead Guide of the Year

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    By your definition every rainbow trout is a landlocked steelhead. See the problem?
     
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  14. Charles Sullivan

    Charles Sullivan dreaming through the come down

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    No.

    They are landlocked Chambers creek and Skamania steelhead mostly. Not all rainbow strains are likely to become anadromous if given the chance.

    There are different rainbow strains from those that tend to become steelhead. Those are also stocked in different lakes.

    In the case of landlocked steelhead the original genetics are the same as our fish. The environment is different. Are the Chinook in the GL not chinook cuz there is no saltwater? How about the Coho?

    They are landlocked forms of what otherwise would be an anadromous fish. It's no big deal.

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  15. golfman44

    golfman44 4-Time Puget Sound Steelhead Guide of the Year

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    By your definition these fish: http://washingtonflyfishing.com/forum/index.php?threads/anyone-like-bacon.95609/#post-901211 are steelhead. See the problem?

    (hint: they aren't steelhead)