Rod Breakage

Discussion in 'Saltwater' started by Sloan Craven, Nov 9, 2007.

  1. Les Johnson

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    I don't see this as a pro/anti TFO rod discussion. I see it as a rod discussion. We all know that graphite won't take the beating of fiberglass (Those were the days when we could use our pliers to pull a fly out of our fiberglass rod and keep on fishing). I've stated my opinion on how to reduce rod breakage.
    One more issue I see as a factor in rod breakage is overfishing our tackle. Perhaps tangling with a gnarly old Skagit River chum salmon on a 6-weight (any brand) gives some folks a rush. I have always believed in having enough rod for the situation. The combination of heavy current, heavily weighted flies and mean-as-hell chum salmon is not, in my opinion condusive to the use of 6-weight tackle. This is America however and we should all fish our fly tackle the way we damned well please.
    Good Fishing,
    Les Johnson
     
  2. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    And speaking of rod breakage...I refer you to my FISH PAL product listed on the CLASSIFIEDS section of this forum. Check it out. Thank you. :)
     
  3. Denny

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    Interesting. I know folks who fish heavy duty salt, and they feel TFO rods are less prone to breakage. These are very experienced fly fishers, too.

    Here's a hypothesis. Many people who would buy TFO rods, because the rods are reasonably priced and offer a great warranty and performance at their respective price points, are often beginners or who don't have a lot of experience, particularly saltwater.

    Many people at this level don't have a lot of experience fighting or landing spunky or large saltwater fish. Because of this inexperience, they will often high stick rods and break rods, and because they aren't familiar with what happened, they won't realize they were the cause of the breakage.

    I'll bet if a survey were conducted regarding the experience level of fly fishers breaking sticks, the more experienced fly fishers would break fewer rods on a relative basis.
     
  4. Sloan Craven

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    Yes, this is the info I was looking for, Richard. Doubly interesting because it is mostly experienced angler, from what I can gleen on those other boards, that claimed breakage.
     
  5. Jon Bial

    Jon Bial Chasing the Magic

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    Comparing mass produced foreign rods to the high end rods by Sage, Winston and Loomis is like saying a store bought cookie is as good as one from the homemade batch that just came out of your Grandma's oven. It's ridiculous. If you want to compare rods, at least compare those in the same class. The question is, do TFO rods break more readily than other comparable rods.

    Jon
     
  6. D3Smartie

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    jon, you would be wrong but i like the analogy.


    a lot of valid points have been brought up. i do believe that less experienced user groups probably buy less expensive gear, hence more breakage in lower end rods through less experienced hands.
    And its also true that every rod has its breaking point.
    I believe i have been told that 90% of all breaks are from loose ferruls, which wouldnt suprise me at all. doesnt matter what kind of rod you have if there is a lot of stress on a poorly connected rod. BUT like we have been talkin about, some rods are more prone to breakage. Since people dont like me talkin about TFO, i will talk about Scott which for a while broke on us all the time. We'd use them for atlantic salmon fishing and would just have rods break for no particular reason. Mainly while casting, but i also had one crack very loudly when i set the hook on a nice 20+ fish that took a dry fly. Good rod, good company, bad design of their ferruls. Now i believe they have fixed this probelm but i havent fished a Scott in awhile to find out.
     
  7. Porter

    Porter Dancing on Water

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    Scott Spey rods by any chance?
     
  8. D3Smartie

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    the ones we used on atlantics werent, but i have a close friend that broke quite a few of the Scott speys.
     
  9. marcopolo

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    I own a couple Scotts (A2) and a TFO (pro model). Here are the latest wait times to get my broken rods back:

    TFO: 6 business days. TFO will just send you back a new one.
    Scott: 10 weeks. Scott actually repairs your broken rod.

    I broke every one of them by my own mistake so I can't really complain about the wait times from either company. I'll take exception for the really crappy TFO cork handles.
     
  10. wolverine

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    Knock on wood; but I've never broken one of my TFO's, Echo's, or Redington's. I have broken both Sage & Loomis, and they were all operator error. Any rod is breakable with abuse and neglect regardless of manufacture or cost.
     
  11. aetmuif

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    I have fished all types and makes of fly rods. I have a fairly vast collection and have (do to my own incompetence) broken one or two. I own two TFO rods (an 8 weight and a 5 weight) both fish exceptionally well and throw as nice any rod I own.

    While I think some of the points made here are relevant - I think many of you who have spent several hundred dollars on a rod are trying to justify your purchase. There is nothing wrong with wanting the best (or perceived best). If that works for you and it makes fishing more enjoyable fantastic. But don’t be fooled – TFO is the same in almost every detail as rods that cost hundreds of dollars more. What you are buying when you spend the big bucks is the warranty and the name.

    This brings up a larger point. Our sport at times takes a bad rap about being too “snobby” or exclusionary. While I feel most people who fly fish (especially in the Puget Sound) do not fit this category, I have come across a few who obviously judge fishermen by their gear and not their catch. All I have to say is this sport is big enough for everyone who loves and respects it. Regardless of the cost of your gear – don’t put people down. Make room for them on the bank and wish them good luck.
     
  12. Peter Pancho

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    Again imo, TFOs are Toyotas and $500+ rods are BMWs. Whats the point?

    IMO, the best salt water rod "for the money" is the TFO Ticrx, caught 20+ 15lb+ salt water Chum without fail in the last 2 weeks.
     
  13. Sloan Craven

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    THe point is .......I have noticed a recurring theme among people that fish the salt on the east coast and in the Gulf. They claim that TFOs seem prone to failure. I am trying to see how far this "pattern' goes. I own budget rods including TFO, ECHO, and Beulah. I am not knocking these or trying to make a point about budget rods or TFO. It is purely out of interest and there is no hidden agenda or passive-aggressive stance. I simply want to know if anyone sees a pattern of their larger weight TFOs breaking on saltwater species. I am sorry if that wasn't clear earlier.
     
  14. Denny

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    I think you got off on a tangent and jumped on the wrong stump . . .

    Sloan didn't say anything about costs of rods and breaking, etc.; I believe his inquiry and comment was pretty clear in that he was just asking if folks who fish in saltwater found a tendency for TFO rods to break more often than others. Had nothing to do with the price or rods or snobbery.

    I've pulled on some pretty hard pulling fish in Baja with my TFO TiCr 10 weight with no issues. I had my 8 weight TiCr-X wrapped in an S-shape around my outboard shaft (I was cringing the whole time waiting for the explosion) while I was fighting a hefty coho down and dirty that juked one way then the other then the other . . . no breakage at all. I know of a guy in Florida that has caught many tarpon over 100 pounds on his TiCr 10 weight (not 12 weight, 10 weight).

    Most rod breakages are angler caused or using the wrong tool for the job, and usually not product defects.

    Also, respective to failures at ferrules; usually when that occurs it's because the ferrule has come loose and the angler has failed to inspect them during the course of the fishing day. When casting or catching a fish, the loose ferrule now has a point load instead of a distributed load (tight ferrule), excessively stressing the graphite at that point load and causing breakage. I'm guilty of this, having done it once. Some might argue this happens because the ferrule would come loose too easily; I believe it's still angler error, and the angler should check their ferrules regularly during a fishing day.
     
  15. Jon Bial

    Jon Bial Chasing the Magic

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    Let's try another analogy.

    Rods are like golf clubs. I own a set of golf clubs, they are not new, and they are not all that special, but there are better than I will ever need. I'm just not good enough to tell the difference. That requires a higher degree of skill than I have.

    Fly rods are the same. Most folks will never be able to appreciate the difference between an assembly line import TFO or ECHO and an American made G.Loomis or Sage. One that uses the highest strength to weight ratio and results in a lighter but equally strong rod. There is a difference between a high end rod and a low end rod, but most folks can't benefit from that performance difference.

    So, we look to those few people that can see the difference, and we try to "be like Mike". Check out the 5 and 8 wt rod shootouts. http://www.yellowstoneangler.com/articles.asp

    Jon