running lines for compacts

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by Sean Beauchamp, Jul 27, 2011.

  1. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    I like the airflo ridge and have had many friends have me try other things that they like. I am never concerned too much about distance because I can't shoot line further than the length of that running line. I can get out to where the fish are supposed to be and that works. If you want to try an airflo ridge, let me know...I might lend you one. If you want to try some mono stuff that I've got, I'll send it to you. I hope you are getting some sleep there daddy.
     
  2. Evan Burck

    Evan Burck Fudge Dragon

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    I'm going to be switching over to a Delta multi tip here soon as an experiment. I think it's going to work better for what I do. I'll let you try it some time.
     
  3. steve s

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    I've used Airflo ridge, Amnesia, Rio running line and am now using Berkley Big Game 40lb. I prefer mono running lines. I like the way they shoot and how easy they come out of the water. I really liked Amnesia but felt that there was too much stretch. I don't have any issues handling mono and feel that I can mend better with mono than standard running lines because it's so light.
     
  4. James Mello

    James Mello Inventor of the "closed eye conjecture"

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    Any of the coated lines of relatively large diameter won't shoot for shit. You mentioned that distance wasn't a concern, but this statement does kinda contradict what you said before.

    If you want good handling stick with the coated lines. If you want mendability, the dragon tail is a good solution. If you want long distance shooting move to one of the braids or a good mono.

    Be forewarned though, the Dragon tail is the worst shooting line I have seen. The taper to it is of huge benefit with the Airflow skagit heads as the polyurethane used tends to stick in the water a bit, and the rear taper is particularly steep.

    As for tangles, I find that mono tangles at the same rate as the coated lines when dealing with significant loops of line (shooting 3 or more rod lengths). Your mileage may vary of course, but tangles are much better dealt with by good line management techniques rather than purely depending on your line to do it for you.

    Personally if it were me, I'd go and buy a flat beam mono (Rio 50lb) and try it out. It costs about $9 and if you don't like it, you can use it as stinger hook material. The other solutions do cost quite a bit more, but as mentioned before do mend and manage just fine.
     
  5. golfman65

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    You got the wrong powerflex...get the green .030, the blue was too heavy for my liking and didn't shoot as well...I've used just about everything, for a long time only went with mono, from guideline to varivas which is what I would use now if I was running it...Mono shoots like a mother but i've had breakage problems on too many occasions...

    I got tired of seeing how far I could cast everything and wanted a shooting line that I didn't have to check regularly for step marks or snappage issues and found the green .030 Rio cold water floating to be the best of all worlds...Maybe I can't cast it 130' but it still bombs out there plenty far enough and is much easier to handle in all weather conditions..

    I don't forsee my going back to mono anytime soon...
     
  6. Panhandle

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    I don't know how you guys can handle mono running line. Distance is the least important factor in two-hand fishing. Comfort and line management being paramount. Stripping 50 ft of amnesia on a compact sounds like torture.
     
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    I pretty much agree with Pan. I like to cast with fly line when I fly fish.

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  8. James Waggoner

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    For twelve feet of line why hold loops? Besides, small loops are prone to tangle. You should be able to shoot fifteen to twenty feet without holding loops.

    As for the comments on mono, they don't tangle anymore than the others. They are harder to hold on to and mend at long range but with the long rod it's not that bad. Varivas is a great choice.
     
  9. flybill

    flybill Purveyor of fine hackle, wine & cigars!

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    I like the old Guideline running line I have, can't remember the name at the moment. For Skagit lines in particular, I like a thicker running line that I can hold on a cold winter day! Airflo and Rio running lines are good and I have them both and mono on a few reels. I like mono for Scandi lines or use the smaller diameter running lines.

    As far as tangling with your running line, stretch it out and learn to manage your line with loops. Start with a long loop, and smaller loops as you put them inside the bigger loops. I usually have two loops, three at most for me at least.

    The real solution for me is to use a longer line (head) on what you like to cast... I find my CND GPS 7/8 on my Solstice casts tips great if I shorten up the amount of line out of the tip and shoot more of the line. I don't know the exact amount, but figure out the sweet spot for the tip and fly I'm using and can cast a big fly with the right leader on this line. I use Skagit lines when I need too, but find my preference is for a Scandi line or a mid or long belly line when I use my bigger rods.
     
  10. flybill

    flybill Purveyor of fine hackle, wine & cigars!

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    I like the old Guideline running line I have, can't remember the name at the moment. For Skagit lines in particular, I like a thicker running line that I can hold on a cold winter day! Airflo and Rio running lines are good and I have them both and mono on a few reels. I like mono for Scandi lines or use the smaller diameter running lines.

    As far as tangling with your running line, stretch it out and learn to manage your line with loops. Start with a long loop, and smaller loops as you put them inside the bigger loops. I usually have two loops, three at most for me at least.

    The real solution for me is to use a longer line (head) on what you like to cast... I find my CND GPS 7/8 on my Solstice casts tips great if I shorten up the amount of line out of the tip and shoot more of the line. I don't know the exact amount, but figure out the sweet spot for the tip and fly I'm using and can cast a big fly with the right leader on this line. I use Skagit lines when I need too, but find my preference is for a Scandi line or a mid or long belly line when I use my bigger rods.
     
  11. Thomas Mitchell

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    Same here. I really like the Monic coated gelspun, nice visibility, low stretch, shoots well, etc. I've got the .30 on my 8/9 & 6/7 but use the .24 on the 3wt troutspey. Never tried mono, just looked like a mess waiting to happen with a CF like me...


     
  12. golfman65

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    I agree with you James, the more you use mono, the better it becomes...Different brands tangle more right off the spool but they stretch out pretty quick and are easy to shoot big distance...I just got tired of the cold water or weather and the loops slipping on casts or in your hand..

    Looks like the one big river, where big sticks and long casts could benefit from using it is not going to open again anytime soon...So my spool of varivas will just have to sit for awhile longer...

    Just as an off the cuff remark, the guy who turned me on to the different mono's uses them as he is a distance caster..Beginning spey casting it always impressed me seeing some guys who could bomb it across the rivers we fished.. not having learned the skill level to cast like that, mono added a good 10-15' to my casts...As I got better it became more of a game.. throwing big casts was fun when nothing else was happening...The distance guys use mono exclusively with their shooting heads so I just got used to using it as well..

    I've gotten to the point where my skill level is better, I'm still learning like everyone else but got enough years now that I have a semblance of what the stroke should look like for the heads I fish...I've found that the .030 rio will still let me cast a long way when I'm bored or trying out a new rod...but I like how it handles for fishing which is more important to me now then casting....

    I've heard it stages some of us go through....It's just taken me longer then others to realize that being able to cast 130' only means I can cast that distance and nothing else...Back to fishing and trying to actually catch something means reading water, presenting the fly properly and NOT casting over all the fish...Funny, I guess no one told the big fish they should only bite the farthest cast flies?
     
  13. Merle

    Merle Not New, Just rarely post...

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    One more vote for the Rio Powerflex in .030" Green (coldwater). I tried the .024" first but just couldn't get used to the feel of the smaller diameter, as I always carry a loop of line pinched against the cork. As mentioned by others this isn't the top line for distance shooting, but it's still a lot better than what you get with an integrated flyline.

    I also tried the Airflo Miracle Braid, which did shoot amazingly, but again, it just didn't feel right for me. It almost felt like just using Dacron backing. (It also makes a bit of racket as it slides through the guides.)
     
  14. Sean Beauchamp

    Sean Beauchamp Hot and Heavy at yer 6

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    Thanks for the input guys bought the .030 powerflex and also gonna try out mono and see how I feel about it. Work is gettin crazy again hopefully make it out next weekend.
     
  15. constructeur

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    Sean- For mono, I dig on the Rio Slickshooter. I tried the 35lb out at first but it's so small I was always slipping and dropping the line, especially on those 42 degree and raining type days. I bought some of the 50lb for the MX trip, and use it now. Shit is huge! and ya gotta stretch it, but for $10it's a winner.