SAGE 9140-4 Graphite III Brownie Question

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  1. 1morecast

    1morecast Active Member

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    Montanafos,

    That is Classic rig you will be fishing with. I have the 9140 with the wooden reel seat and use the
    salmon 3 on mine. Like 808 I prefer to line mine on the light side. When this rod first came out the shop I bought it from recommended a WC 8/9 or 9/10, can't remember which. A couple of years later I forgot my reel (i know) and a friend loaned me his spare reel which was lined with the 7/8. Man what a differance! The rod was a pleasure to cast with the heavy line; with the lighter line the the tip just popped!

    It is mainly my dry line rod. Just might to have take her out for a little skagit casting this week!:cool:

    P.S. If the setup does not suit yer style PM me!:D
     
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    I have a Sage 9140-3 Brownie that I'm looking to sell if you are interested. charles.vaden@comcast.net
     
  3. montanafos

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    PM Sent pon 9143-3
     
  4. FT

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    Folks,

    Keep in mind that the 9140-3 brownie is a very different rod than the 9140-4 brownie. The 9140-4 is a very full-flex, slower rod that bends into the butt when casting. The 9140-3 is a much stiffer rod that is of the mid-flex, faster type.

    I owned the 9140-4. In fact, it was my first 2-hander which I bought back in 1993. After being unhappy with the rod when lined with a 9/10 DT spey line (the only line I was able to find that was supposedly for it back then), it was badly overloaded. I then got a new to the market Windcutter 9/10/11 (again because it was supposedly the line for a 9/10 rod), and it badly overloaded the rod too, although not as badly as the 9/10 DT. Next, I tried an 8/9/10 Windcutter, and it too overloaded the rod. Finally, after using the rod for two years, I was able to cast a 7/8/9 Windcutter on it and found a line that felt right without overloading the rod.

    Right after that I ran into Jim Vincent and I asked him about why the 9/10/11 Windcutter so badly overloaded the rod. Jim told me that if I took the middle section out of the interchangeable tip version of the Windcutter, (or made a second cut on the full line at 30' from the tip and simply left out that 15' portion) and looped the sinktips or floating tip to the remaining belly it would ballance the rod perfectly. I asked him why, and he told me because that was the way Jimmy Green designed the 9140-4 and 7136 rods. Jimmy fished shooting heads and designed these two rods around shooting heads; hence, they worked fine with the shortened Windcutter, but would be overloaded with the full Windcutter of the line wt designated on the rod.

    Therefore, if you are going to use a short-belly line like the Windcutter, Delta, or SA Short Belly, go with a 7/8 (7/8/9 in the Windcutter) to avoid overloading the rod. However, if you going to use a Skagit line (keep in mind this was the benchmark rod used for early Skagit line development) use a 600-650 gr Skagit line.
     
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    To re-iterate what FlyTyer said, the 9140-3 'brownie' is nothing like the 4 pc. 'brownie'. It is a legitimate 9/10 designed by Goran Andersson for 'his' 'underhand' style of casting. It is a mid flex rod (through action is a good description) with fast recovery and fully engages the exponentially stiffer (vs. the 4 pc) bottom third. The rod also works nicely for 'spey' casting as well, with short-mid-long belly lines. I do not prefer to use it for skagit stuff whereas the 4pc is a better option (IMO). Across the board I like 9/10 rated lines on this rod. I do use my 4pc. once in a while preferring 7/8's for drylines. And 8/9 short heads (55' lines) for sinktips. Skagits over 600 seem to be a good match as has been mentioned.
     
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    FT and Inland nailed it! The 9140-4 really shines with the lighter lines. As far as a Skagit line goes I am still trying out a 600 skagit, and a 580.
     
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    Now if you really want a bit of Sage Spey rod legend for your next rod, get an 8150-4 and a looong belly line. Especially for the Clearwater. In it's day, the 8150-4 was in a class of it's own. They are getting hard to find now days, for the same reason as the LL's. No one wants to part with theirs.:D
     
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    What a great amount of hands on knowledge here. Thanks fellas.
     
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    I just picked up a 9140-3 that's on it's way from Scotland?...or Ireland...I think. Should have it in a couple weeks. Will be interesting to see the difference in the two. I'm guessing the reel I have will balance both well and an extra spool will allow foruse on either rod with the appropriate line. Any way...thought I'd share that purchase. It was a decent buy and in great shape with warranty card so figured why not?
     
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    The 9140-3 is a very different rod from the 9140-4, more tip action with a stiffer butt.
     
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    I've read quite a bit about the differences and think I'll probably like the 9140-4 more as I prefer a more moderate to slow action and I honestly won't have an opportunity to do a ton of fishing with these rods to justify trying to use both for different situations for instance. Most of my trout rods are the Sage LL series. As for the 9140-3...I bought it more out of a desire to own one of each. It sounds like there are lots of folks who prefer the 3 piece stiffer action to the 4 piece. I think that's just the way things have progressed...faster being "better". I'll begin with the 9140-4 as I've seen suggestions that the slow action is preferred for new casters and then at some point may play with the 9140-3. If I don't like it I'm comfortable that I can get my money back out of it. It may very well just become a part of the group of brown Sage rods I have at home.
     
  12. SpeySpaz

    SpeySpaz still an authority on nothing

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    It's mostly in the bottom hand and how you use it. Practice practice practice.
    Always know a rod well before moving on to the next, I always say.
     
  13. montanafos

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    Sound advice. I'm going to get some instruction from a certified instructor. Hoping that will get me off to a good start.
     
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    I finally found an 8150. Just received it and it's a beauty. It's paired with Speyco reel and this combo will be one that will end up with my kids one day.
     
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    3 piece 2handers are frequently called 'European Action,' think Sage may have started that many years back. To over generalize, the 3 bit ones will be far firmer in the bottom two sections than the typical progressive action 4 bit ones. Think 'under handed' casting style. Perfect for that.