Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Stonefish, Jun 13, 2013.
do you know if these will be replacing the tcx line?
I'm not sure what it is replacing, or the motive too. The motive is in weights 8 thru 12 only and listed as a saltwater rod. Usually sage only produces one dedicated saltwater rod at a time.
Is it time for the TCX to perish?....4-5 years seem to be the average life span of sage rods. Forget when the TCX came out.
Method, and Motive, seems like they are leaving their rod naming practices of short letters and numbers...DS, DS2 RP, RPL, SLT, XP, SP, etc and going for strategic word names that market research evidently has shown will help sage build up its sales.
I was a Sage supporter until they became the Apple CPU of the fly rod industry...who can keep up? smh
They make nice rods, and I understand the need to create and market new things to keep the business viable, I suppose the marketing just rubs me the wrong way.
I hope they sell a lot of them.
There's a lot of quality foreign made rods made at an affordable price, and I don't think that stuff would exist without companies like Sage pushing the envelope.
Just playing devil's advocate a bit, but I can't help but notice that every time a major player in the rod biz comes out with a new-and-improved product line, the blast of marketing hype is met with an equally predictable (and tedious - sorry but it's true) chorus of folks who can't fathom how the additional marginal cost of the new technology can *possibly* be justified, remind all of the star-struck newbs and poseurs with deep pockets that skill trumps technology every time, etc, etc, etc.
It's not that I necessarily disagree with the chorus, it's just that it seems just a touch overblown. I mean, I know that I can personally cast equally badly with the "Morning Hatch" house-brand graphite rod that I bought with paper-route money in 1986 and the best rod on the market today - but some innovations have to help some people either cast more effectively or enjoy fishing more, no? Even knowing that the effect on my casting will be marginal, I don't mind paying a few hundred bucks to get the best rod that I can afford now that I'm halfway to the grave and finally have the money to buy a high end rod every few years.
Anyhow. Is everyone lambasting the rod companies here happily fishing exclusively with 1980's or mid-90's technology? Is it really only clueless newbs and poseurs with deep pockets that fork over $800 for a rod?
Something tells me that at least a *few* of the hard-core folks scoffing in public must be privately coveting the latest-and-greatest and quietly forking over a few Benjamins and heading to the river with at least *one* fancy new rod every once in a while or else the rod companies would go under. I'm not sure how many clueless newbs/poseurs there are out there buying rods, but it can't be enough to keep every high-end rod builder in business.
Now that I'm done giving the devil his due, I can't help but wondering what - if any - improvements in rod technology have emerged in the past 20 years that even the mortal enemies of marketing hype have to concede are worth paying the price to upgrade to. Anyone?
I paid a hefty sum (in my world) for a used Helios 2 hander. Casts like a dream, thin, light and in general just frigging awesome. I covet the deathstar, but I don't really fish a 2 handed rod enough to bother owning 2 sticks that cost +/- $500 (used).
I think there are a lot of non-newbs buying expensive sticks. But the marketing messages coming with new rods is indeed getting a bit old. Hence my revision. It' way better
As for the technology changes in the last 20 years, sure there are changes worth paying for. But I think what many will point out is that anglers can access the improvements of the last 2 decades without spending a $1000. My much loved Echo Ion is a good example. $145 (end of the year clearance).
There's something out there for everyone.
Loomis GLX rods were a significant improvement when first released. I still like them more today than their NRX rods, but more to the point, they were really something different and measurably lighter than anything else at that time (9 years ago?)
I actually think the Orvis Helios rods represented a fairly substantial step forward, a first for Orvis as far as I'm concerned.
When Redington (before their affiliation with Sage) introduced their NTi Nano-resin rods, I think that there was some substantial new technology there.
But the point of my initial (somewhat snarky) post is merely the idiocy of much of the ad copy on rods, they talk about their wares like one was discussing an improved means of nuclear fission...
One, Circa, Method.... These all sound like cleaning products or multivitamins!
And the 'Motive'.....from sage
If you need a rod that fast to fly fish you should stick to spin casting with a worm
Talk all the smack you want boys, but admit that you want one.
Deleted what I said.
My inner rant came out... sorry
Do you want your Scotch aged 12 years or 18? Step up to the plate Angus.
I classify swing weight as the weight you feel in the portion of the rod above the grip going to the tip when holding the rod out in front of you.Ive picked up my 90's rods and they do feel heavier in swing weight compared to my newer rods that ive purchased in the past 3 yrs.Many years ago i dreamt of owning an orvis hls adams traveler 4wt,and managed to find one on ebay.I was so excited.When i received the rod i put it together and it felt like a brick had been strapped onto the tip.I sold it.The newer rods have significantly less swing weight and thats all i can think they can improve on.But my sage one 5wt feels so light i dont know how they can go lighter.Just my 2c...