Looking for new 10 and 12 wt rods before I head to Belize and out to blue water for pelagics Cast both the motive and the XI3 today at my LFS, and wanted to throw out a review. 1- sticker shock- the motive comes in at $425 while the XI3 is $725.... Already score one for the motive 2- cast the motive first... Right away throwing tight loops 80ft out on the lawn in front of so cal flyfishers. Didn't ask what line was throwing- but a standard 10wt WFF. Rod loaded nicely!! Easy to roll cast, shot line like it was made for it. 1 back cast and 80ft was no problem. Had I had more back cast room I'd have shot the whole line Both rods weigh close to the same - 4 3/8 oz XI3 4 7/8 oz motive. Honestly I couldn't tell the difference in wt once I switched to the Xi3 The Xi3 is a stiffer, faster action rod. Wouldn't roll cast the 10wt line for shit. Felt like it needed an 11wt line. Still rocketed 80ft casts, but needed more line out to load the rod. Again, limited back casting room meant 80ft is about maxed out for my casting distance. With an 11wt line I could have easily shot the whole line with the back cast room I had. A line like the outbound short would likely be a great line in the same wt as the rod. More delicate loops and delivery with the motive- otherwise both rods are quite comparable despite the HUGE price difference. This is a big deal for me as this will be my permit rod. Didn't get a chance to toss any heavy crab flies with either rod, unfortunately. I'll be purchasing the motive next week. Can't wait to balance it with a Nautilus CCF 10 and put the hurting on some permit. If I was primarily fishing the beach for roosters, or throwing poppers for tarpon I think I'd get the XI3 and overload it or use the outbound short.