Yeah that. I bought a Skykomish Sunrise boat from Dave Scadden at the Portland show a few years ago. At the time, it had a suggested retail price of $1,600 I believe. Dave sold it to me for $1,000 at the show. I thought that was a pretty good deal. People are gonna have their opinions about everything. I've floated my boat on a lot of different rivers in the west, and I can say that I've have never been disappointed with my Scadden boat. I love the way it responds to the oar, I love its durability, and I love that I can pick it up over my head and walk a quarter mile... I'd highly recommend one!