Scadden rampage with frame, report..

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  1. Blue

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    As far as weight difference, to ME I think it is the handles, Oar locks, the little clamps to secure the oars to the side of the boat, and the floor...an easy 8 lb difference. I know they use to have nice molded handles on the inside and a optional standing platform bar but the idea of making them fold up so compact he had to do away with the handles. There was a lean bar set up for frameless boats at one time, ask Dave about that, maybe.

    I would not cut the floor out. These boats are designed with that floor and it could ruin that design. The material on the X5 is totally different. Maybe there is a reason, I don't know.


    We get pretty cold here as well so I get the out of water desire. But I wear Hip waders on my Renegade and even ,y Escape when I had it. The bottom of the seat/floor area is way out of the water. I will admit, I am an inch or two higher with my X5, but we are talking a little more leg below the knee in the water. Only difference there is one is easier to move with just fins.
     
  2. golfman65

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    Jesus, I didn't want to hear that...I want to chop it now and see what the difference is...

    I re read this and also think your dead on with the floor being partially inflated it was causing drag and taking on water..you had to dump some at the end...BUT...it was still a helluva lot faster and manueverd so much better then the WM I had before...so that was minimal...I put the big yellow grateful dead oars on and that thing hummed...I did 9k down river at the end of the day...( I couldn't leave one spot as the fish were rolling and pecking) in just under an hour...I had that bad boy backwards and getting air on the open sections..was a blast!!!

    I'll talk to Scadden again and see about cutting it before I do...or see if I can make some deal with him....I only want to go with the frame from now on...I really like the set up I got...easy to pack up as well...just need to tweak it a bit...

    thanks for the info.
     
  3. MakoML

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    If you cut out the floor you will NEVER be able to sell it. I would seriously look to swap it for the X5 and be done with it. I have been looking for an X5 myself but am not ready to shell out the bucks yet.

    I think Dave is willing to trade it out due to product liability issues if there is an accident involving death on one of his boats that has been modified.
     
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    Once again I'm asking, why would a manufacturer ( of anything) trade someone that bought a used product from another party, sight unseen, for a brand new product? That's not what they're in business for. And as far as the subject of liability goes, as soon as a product is sold, it's beyond the manufacturers reach to make sure it's not been modified. As an adult, if someone wants to modify something, they should be able to if they have the balls to do it. And if something goes wrong, they (or their family) should except the consquences.
    I'm for him selling the Rampage and buying the X5 bladder. He's got everything else framewise. Or keep the Rampage since it's a complete boat and use it as it was meant to be used and eventually buy the X5 bladder.
     
  5. PT

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    What part of this don't you understand?

    It's really none of your business or mine. And, it's really not a big deal. Hell, Dave might charge him a a bit in exchange, it could be a demo boat, or it could be a new boat. WHO CARES?
     
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    Well for me, it isn't "why would Dave" but more "did Dave". When I talked to him last, he really doesn't recall ever saying this. The reason as stated by Mojo.


    Ands as far as it being my business, the minute it was put on a public forum kinda made it happen, don't you think?

    Last comment pretty dead on though.
     
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    Again, why is it any of our business? And, why would you call Dave to find out if this is true or not? I knew from the start you had some sort of connection to NFO because you've been nothing but an apologist for the company. I've always thought they had some great products but a company that doesn't have the ability to respond to multiple inquiries doesn't want my/more business. I don't know why anyone would buy one of their boats based on their customer service record but in this case I don't really care. Just saying that apparently Gman has spoken with him and you really don't need to know what was said. I'm a business owner and as such I don't need to explain all of my dealings with the general public. Sorry for the hi-jack but alot has been spewed about nothing. Enjoy and endorse your dealing with the company and maybe let Gman enjoy his experience with NFO as well.
     
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    Maybe we are reading to much into this. First off as far as business, Now I could be wrong, but isn't all this about trading and what Dave said - post?
    I called Dave about BUYING a XX which I did. While visiting, BECAUSE, we are friends and I have never tried to hide that, I mentioned some of the complaints I read. He listens and tries to correct what he can or he explains that some people claim things that don't really happen.
    I am not saying the poster is Lying, but maybe we are not hearing the whole story, which does happen frequently.

    This is a subject i am familiar with and I gave MY opinion, special when cutting the floor. Take it of leave it. Just my opinion.


    I could ask you why you care about this post. You don't care for NFO. But that is what open forums are all about, and like you said, it is n on of my business.
     
  9. golfman65

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    So Blue...

    Ask Dave if he would like me to post ALL our emails back and forth..especially with the missing frame etc.
    You know, I love the product but saying I'm not telling the whold story, that Dave doesn't remember, is bullshit..

    Here you go

    Hey Paul

    Thanks for the note...
    Yes, You can cut the seat out of the Rampage to accept the Lazer X frame... but before you do that please let us know and we will swap you for a set of Outlaw X5 pontoons. The Outlaw X5 is the exact same boat as the Rampage without the seat bed.

    I hope you have a great trip and catch a lot of big fish!

    Thanks so much!

    Dave

    NOW what do you have to say..besides trying to muddy up the water..everything I said was straight from the horses mouth and you called b.s. on all of it...Maybe it's you and Dave who should talk huh?
     
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    Didn't try to muddy up the water at all. We don't talk about his e-mails, it was just idle chat. I mentioned your post to him, maybe to try and help you get an answer. I didn't call bs, I said Dave didn't recall saying that, he does get busy, it happens. The letter does sound like Dave.
    Like I said, I think we were reading too much into this, and I do apologize to you.
    Good Luck.
     
  11. golfman65

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    Here's the thing..I gave what I thought was a very positive report and got called on what I said and observed...You both said I couldn't cut out the floor, etc. and Dave wouldn't say that..you said..

    . He listens and tries to correct what he can or he explains that some people claim things that don't really happen.
    I am not saying the poster is Lying, but maybe we are not hearing the whole story, which does happen frequently.

    Well that sure sounds like your saying I'm making all this up, I wouldn't post personal emails but felt compelled to after that...
     
  12. Driftaway

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    Other boats are not inferior, just a different style. Bucks Bags makes a heck of a boat and I feel they are way under rated and dont have the marketing or internet buzz like some others and they are made in the USA.
     
  13. golfman65

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    I talked to my buddy up north to see what he could do for me...He got in touch with Dave and had me call him..Dave said he remembered the email and our conversation and would trade me an X5 for my rampage so I wouldn't need to cut it up!!

    I heard he was out of town and hadn't had a chance to reply...and I am going on that...I'm just happy I don't have to cut etc. not that it really would have bothered me doing it, I plan on keeping the boat for awhile...but this is a better outcome I would think...

    So now I'm eating crow for bitching so much...but am happy to get this deal done!!!
     
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    squeaky wheel theory at work
     
  15. mojo

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    Glad you're getting the X5 toon. Seriously, I never thought he'd do a trade. You'll like the X5 setup. Turn the frame around and get yourself a motor and have fun.
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