FYI, helluva deal on another board; Kiene's Fly fishing in Sacramento. Bill owns a great shop and has the best board in CA. Someone is selling a 10'6" Skykomish Sunrise with the bladderless tubes (lifetime warranty) and looks like it has all the bells and whistles. Here's your chance to get a premium 'toon for under $600. http://kiene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17436 I'm not involved in this in any way, just noticed there's some guys out there looking for a 'toon and as a happy Scadden owner, I'd like to make you aware of a good deal, Robert "Times are tough, cash talks, BS walks."