Discussion in 'Watercraft' started by golfman44, Oct 9, 2013.
Sheesh - and here we all thought you hit a tree and were dead.
I got you Babe....
frameless are quicker to set up if you have a car and need to break the whole thing down, no frame to mess with, just pump and deflate and will fit in a trunk.
Get a frame u have truck
Love my Outcast Commander, and the guys there are always available and easy to work with.
OK I'm getting this. Ill just get a nice climbing rope and tie onto bass turds toon while he pulls me around. Then i can just chill in the tube sipping beers and critize his rowing
Never been interested in kayaking... But I could totally get in to extreme river tubing.
I don't think so.
Scott is dead on about Dave's innovative contributions. In fact, if you want to see an early picture of the Outcast Commander, check out Dave's book "Fishing Untouched Waters" published in 2000. In it are somewhere between 25-50 pics (and one on the cover) of Dave and his wife Cailin fishing or running whitewater in a boat he designed that is the ancestor of the Commander. He now produces a similar boat. Outcast and Dave both build quality boats. Check them both out. And enjoy.
Well, some would argue that the ancestor of the Commander is an old Outcast model that I've got in my garage. The hull is nearly identical but the features/trim are different and they added oars, something I begged them to do over 10 years ago. Outcast also produced it for Scadden and I've got one of those too. I have heard it was designed when Dave worked with/at Outcast and how much he had to do with it depends on who you talk to.
It was when Dave worked with Outcast. I'll go with the innovator on who designed it.
You know I don't intend to go too far off topic here Bill but Ford innovated/invented the modern assembly line, and Toyota perfected it. In fact Toyota perfected it so well that it lead to the creation of "the Toyota way" otherwise known as Lean manufacturing & Lean concepts - a methodology/philosophy that has been studied and implement in thousands of companies over the world which has helped turn them around and become more profitable/efficient. If we used your logic we'd all be buying Fords even though Ford themselves is implementing many Lean procedures into their business practices to become more profitable.
You know I remember working for a company where a now buddy of mine was the supervisor. He told me how he bought a new truck and he got a drop in bed liner with it. I asked why he never went with a spray in as there were many advantages to them and I explained them to him. Well he went back to the dealership and talked to their accessories guy and the guy said he would give him a call in a day about a potential exchange/credit to get him into a spray in bed liner on his new truck. Well the call never came, and man was he pissed. He was never going to go the dealers again, talked about writing letters, overall just choked that the guy never called. I never heard the end of it for a week. Meanwhile we are at work together and I went to a house (we are plumbers/gasfitters) as I had to do a service call and this service call ended up with several upsells I made, all that had to happen was our estimator/designer had to put some stuff on paper that I explained quite clearly to him in writing what the customer was looking for. This was ALL I could do as this was the structure the company had for this type of thing. Well our designer/estimator promised he'd have something ready in two days and he never ended up following through and we lost the sale. It was almost guaranteed money for us too but this was a very similar situation to what my buddy described only he was the customer. Well I heard about it a couple days later after I asked our estimator how it went and after finding out how bad he dropped the ball even though I made it clear to him he only had a couple days and he said he would follow through, I complained to my buddy who I worked who was my supervisor with who had the bed liner incident. Well right away he starts launching into that you don't understand that the estimator was busy, or might have been swamped or had this on the go - making excuses almost in a patronizing fashion. I tried to make him see the connection between himself and the customer who never got the quote from us and he just didn't see it.
The bottom line is you can apologize poor customer service all you want, you can talk about what a great person someone is, how awesome they are at they do, but if he doesn't deliver, or support his product, or execute when the time comes it is seriously damaging his reputation. Some people want their boats to come in a timely fashion with their order fulfilled properly, they want product support in a timely fashion, and they don't just buy a boat, they buy a boat ownership experience. Companies like Outcast & Bucks understand quite well that is about an ownership experience. Other guys don't GET IT YET!
I'd take my scadden X5 over anything I have seen from outcast or bucks...only exception would be a toon I saw on here a year or so ago called the steel header? 12' tubes basic looking toon but bet it would go through just about anything...still trying to find that thread and boat
Check out steelheader.com.