Seal Pup with a bullet hole / Fishing Report

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  1. Nick Andrews

    Nick Andrews New Member

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    Was out on the canal this weekend and while walking the beach found a young seal pup with a bullet hole in its side. I think that it had been out there a couple of days. I think that it is the same pup that I had seen just three weeks ago sunny at the mouth of the Skokomish. I can not be sure of course, but either way it just it not right. It is sad to see that people would do such a thing, but it a world full of ignorant s**t heads what can you expect. I am sure that it was killed because some felt that if it grew up it would eat all the salmon. Yet, not two months ago a pod of Orcas left after taking out over half of the canal’s seal population. It is funny that this year’s salmon runs are below normal and had the Orcas not come into the canal it would have probably been much worse on the canal salmon runs. Mother Nature was a way of working problems out on her own, she sure does not need Joe Dip S**t’s contribution.

    Fish Report: I only fished for about ten minutes last night and landed a nice 14 inch cutt. I saw it jumping as we were sitting around the fire so I grabbed my rod and it was only a few cast till she was on the end of my line.
     
  2. Guillaume

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    Oh gee...I can't believe this. This is really infuriating. We are getting way too many s**t heads in this state, this is ruining the fishing experience SO bad. Teh same m****f****s trash the beaches, leave their lines so wildlife gets entengled and die. Sadly, I think we need way more police then there is right now around fishing areas.
     
  3. D3Smartie

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    not saying that it is right to shoot a seal pup but we need to do something out in the sound to put some fear into the seals. They have become way too domesticated and daring. Its just going to take a person getting killed to finally get the message across that they are a problem.
     
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    Nothing will happen even if a sea lion attacks a person.

    They’re protected wildlife. (any one remember Herschel at the locks?)

    There used to be big floating platforms by the Edmonds ferry docks, on the edge of the underwater park there. They were divers floats so you could haul out and rest there after kicking out there, or before kicking back in.

    Sea lions started using them to sleep on and rest too. The sea lions bit a few divers out there when divers got near the floats. Guess what?

    They removed the floats, and that was that.
     
  5. gearhead

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    here will be a polarizing subject i'm sure, but please pardon my ignorance if i don't shed a tear. i started fishing puget sound around 1982. i remember seeing a seal was a real treat. there were not that many around. i used to fish at the ballard locks with an older neighbor plunking kwik fish below the ladder for stealhead. it was during this time that Hershal, or whatever his name was, the sea lion showed up. we would watch this expert fisherman thrash stealhead all night long, one after the other, maybe two dozen in a couple hours or less. then as each year went by, hershal started bringing his friends, now maybe as many as two dozen stealhead per hour being thrashed by only three sea lions. back then the cedar had a healthy run of stealhead, now they are near extinct because we couldn't shoot hershal and his three pals. in the end, there were about 7 or 8 of them. some finaly were captured, but it was too late. now there are thousands and thousands. having a salmon removed from your hook by a seal is a very common problem now. i have now heard stories that seals are all the way up to bonneville thrashing fish, and taking them from anglers is a common occurance there too. this morning i saw a seal at bonneville thrashing a salmon at the deadline on a TV show. imagine how many fish aday, each one kills, multiply by the population, then multiply that by 365. not just salmonids, but true cod, black cod etc, even the giant octupus we have in puget sound. about 7 years ago i saw a sea lion in elliot bay thrashing this huge octopus. since then i saw this show talking about the declining numbers of giant octopus, and just snicked at how they blamed enviromental issues not even looking at the possibility that predation may be the cause. there is no doubt in my mind that this population needs to be aggressively controlled. in canada on Vancouver Island, there is a river that ran some 25 miles or so to a hatchery, sea lions started following the run of fish and in short order, there were as many as 50 hanging out at the hatchery, 25 miles up this small river. the canadians handled it, gave rifles to there hatchery personnel and shot about half the seals. i hurts me greatly that even a Canadians have the common sense to see a problem, and deal with it, but here we will just debate it till the damage is done.
    don't get me wrong i feel bad that that seal may have suffered. it would have bothered me as well, just something to think about. my fingers hurt. The End.
     
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    I noticed a dead one at Picnic Point tonight....must have been there for awhile..or floating around and recently beached in a decayed state.
     
  7. Guillaume

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    I think we all agree that the State should address the sea lion/seal problem. But I firmly agreed with Nick in his original post: s***heads putting a bullet into seal pups is just unacceptable. In fact, that's a great way to work against resolving the problem. That's the last thing we need to see in the paper: "Angry fishermen shoot seal pup in the head because he was "stealing" a salmon".
     
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    We should shoot hawks, eagles and osprey too - they eat gamebirds as well as fish and we have more right to those fish and gamebirds than they do. Right?
     
  9. gearhead

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    Now who's ignorant.... ever think by the way, that it may be the tribes doing some of this shooting, and not some guy with a spincast outfit. they work their nets at night, and carry rifles for seals messing with their nets. when they pull in their nets and find nearly all the fish caught in it have been partialy eaten, i'm thinking they might get a 'lil mad about it.
     
  10. Bob Triggs

    Bob Triggs Stop Killing Wild Steelhead!

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    I think we all need to speak in terms of fact about this. Accusing anyone of this crime, here on this site, without proof or having actually witnessed the act, is a very bad way of communicating one's frustration.
     
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    Nick, that is really sickening to hear about. I can just imagine walking along a beach with my four year old son who loves all animals and everything to do with the ocean, and here is a seal pup with a bullet hole. That is just plain stupidity. Perhaps there is a seal overpopulation problem, I don't know, I'm not a marine biologist and I'm sure the ---hole that did this wasn't either. Let the people with the knowledge and experience make these determinations. :mad:
     
  12. Stonefish

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    Andrew,
    Did you report this to WDFW?
    Brian
     
  13. D3Smartie

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    these are the same people that dont know where the spring chinook went, or the lake WA sockeye, or care about preserving wild steelhead.
     
  14. Beckler

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    D3, If it is your opinion that the "experts" are clueless then so be it, in many ways I would agree. I realize that WA has a history of poor judgement when it comes to our fisheries, but I still don't think that gives anyone the right to take things into their own hands.
     
  15. Nick Andrews

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    Gearhead, that is unfortunate that you feel that way. I do have to say that if for one minute you think that the seal and sea lion populations are at fault for the declining salmon and steelhead populations, then you have no idea what you are talking about. The reason that they all sit out side the locks, and other easy access areas and feed on wild steelhead and salmon, is because we have too many hatchery fish being pumped out of our systems. When these fish return it is a hay day for the seals and sea lions, which then does two things. First it gives these animals the nutrition that they need to reproduce, which has lead to over populating in some areas, namely those with large hatchery programs. Second, the wild stock salmon and steelhead get caught up in the feeding frenzy that occurs in these areas. The answer to this problem is not to shoot wild animals, because they are doing what nature intended them to do (feed and procreate), but to reduce the hatchery programs in our state and put more focus on rehabilitating the environment as so the wild fish can bounce back. There is a balance in the environment the needs to be maintained and through human selfishness we have managed to thrown it off. The answer is not shooting wild animals, but regaining the balance in our ecosystems. If you need me to list the larger contributors to the declining wild salmon and steelhead populations I would be happy to do so. -Nick