Seattle Kman is DOA?

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by slippery_whippet, Nov 29, 2010.

  1. gt

    gt Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2005
    Messages:
    2,631
    Likes Received:
    14
    Location:
    sequim, WA
    yah'know, it's none of our business if lance is closing things down. it's his business to operate and his decision to make or break. what we can do in the interum is patronise our local shops and stop speculating, it's just a waste of time and energy.
     
  2. Scott Salzer

    Scott Salzer previously micro brew

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 1969
    Messages:
    3,549
    Likes Received:
    694
    Location:
    .
    Kent:

    Obviously, game bird feathers are fine but passerines are a no-no, not technically but for real. I have heard of Montana game wardens going through fly tying materials looking for that no-no stuff. FRESH roadkill has other "use" than just salvaged materials.....


    MB
     
  3. constructeur

    constructeur Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2008
    Messages:
    1,883
    Likes Received:
    977
    Location:
    Commencement Bay,Wa
    What like this?:
    Show some class captain capitalization, you know nothing about Patricks or Creeksides financial viability.

    If you have a problem with the shop tell them not me, and if you've been waiting for dryfly hooks for 6 months I'll kindly inform you that AATF has plenty in stock and is just as close to your location when urban traffic is considered.
     
  4. Mark Moore

    Mark Moore Just a Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2008
    Messages:
    838
    Likes Received:
    160
    Location:
    Vancouver, Wa.
    Wow...somebody hasn't been feeling the tug lately it seems.

    Truth told, the Kmans issues are less to do with the economy and more to do with their conduct of business. Here in Portland, River City is less than 2 miles away, has ten times the inventory and nowhere near the attitude. The economic climate can't really be all that bad when we have a brand new Orvis store and a new Flyshop here in just the last few months.
     
  5. bennysbuddy

    bennysbuddy the sultan of swing

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2010
    Messages:
    5,361
    Likes Received:
    3,333
    Location:
    m-ville
    I think all you business gurus should start up you own fly shop and show the the people how it's done , It only would take about $200.000 to open your shop , So open your own shop or shut the huck up!
     
  6. JesseC

    JesseC Active Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2009
    Messages:
    2,309
    Likes Received:
    1,446
    Location:
    seattle, wa
    I tell you how i'd do it. I would sell online only so I didn't have to deal with all you high maintenance nannies who want your no-no zones massaged every time you walk in a fly shop. ;)
     
  7. segge

    segge Member

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2004
    Messages:
    44
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Puyallup, WA
    The online store problem relates to "Free Shipping/No Tax" which means on a $700 spey rod the difference is not inconsequential.
    This is one of the problems that caused the Morning Hatch to go out of business a few years ago. People would come in and try stuff out or on and then go get it online. I just bought a spey rod and got it from a local shop ... need to support them.

    Steve Egge
     
  8. Kent Lufkin

    Kent Lufkin Remember when you could remember everything?

    Joined:
    Apr 7, 2004
    Messages:
    7,183
    Likes Received:
    1,295
    Location:
    Not sure
    Your point about no sales tax is a good one. I'd forgotten that in the Seattle area we have among the highest sales tax rates in the nation. While it varies by a few tenths of a percent by municipality within the area, at the prevailing rate of 9.8% on your rod you'd be paying an additional $68.60 - enough to buy a line to go with your new rod.

    It's worth remembering though, that some online retailers - like Cabelas - are obliged to charge tax since they have a physical presence in the state. It's also worth watching the Amazon v. North Carolina litigation. The state sued Amazon to provide the names of all Amazon customers from North Carolina and the amounts of their purchases so they could go after them for unpaid sales tax. While the parties will probably settle for something less than that, the handwriting is on the wall that sooner or later, we'll all be paying some sort of sales tax on ALL purchases, online OR in person.

    I haven't run across free shipping offer, but then I haven't bought anything online in quite some time.

    K
     
  9. smc

    smc Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2005
    Messages:
    674
    Likes Received:
    435
    Location:
    Up River
    It's also worth noting that WA sales tax is certainly negotiable, along with shipping if applicable, for any item, subject to a "map" (minimum acceptable pricing) agreement or not, online or brick & mortar. The retailer just cannot lower the actual price for a "map" item itself.
     
  10. Kirk Singleton

    Kirk Singleton Capt Kirk

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2008
    Messages:
    674
    Likes Received:
    5
    Location:
    Sammamish, WA
    Home Page:
    hmmmm.
    If I had store credit at Kman, I would run downtown and spend it while you can ;-)
     
  11. Hunt-man

    Hunt-man Member

    Joined:
    Nov 8, 2010
    Messages:
    67
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    Portland, OR
    I'll second that.
     
  12. Chef

    Chef New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2010
    Messages:
    1,097
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Seattle, WA
    My favorite fly shop doesnt charge me tax on big orders... which is nice.
     
  13. Porter

    Porter Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2003
    Messages:
    8,118
    Likes Received:
    1,717
    Location:
    Kenmore, WA, USA.
    "Well," said Pooh, "what I like best -- " and then he had to stop and think. Because although Eating Honey was a very good thing to do, there was a moment just before you began to eat it which was better than when you were, but he didn't know what it was called” ........Fucktarded..I think is the word.
     
  14. bennysbuddy

    bennysbuddy the sultan of swing

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2010
    Messages:
    5,361
    Likes Received:
    3,333
    Location:
    m-ville
    When did they start massaged no no zones? I've never recieved this perk!
     
  15. Don Barton

    Don Barton Member

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2004
    Messages:
    215
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Seattle
    I have been worried about Kaufman's, so this thread makes me very sad.

    I got my fly fishing start in 2001 thanks to the downtown Seattle store. Blair Alexander and Gary Thompson helped me buy my first fly fishing set up. I still have and regularly use the 5 wt Sage XP, Abel TR2 reel, and the Patagonia rain jacket that I bought from them. More recently Bod Aid has been of great support.

    Over the years I have shopped at the downtown Seattle store at least once a quarter and sometimes much more frequently. It is hard to visit any one store too often when I feel the need to spread my business around several well run locally owned stores such as The Avid Angler, Creekside, Patricks, and Puget Sound Fly Company. Plus Orvis and Leland deserve business too. And there are worthy fly shops over the hill to the east such as the Yakima River shop in Cle Elum and Ellensburg, Reds in the Canyon and the Desert Angler in Euphrata. Sadly, I must report that over the last few years I have been disappointed in my fly selection options when I have visited Bob downtown. He was often out of the obvious fly or flies for the current season.

    If Kaufman's closes, it will be a sad day for our sport. It was once king of the hill. Today the hill is a little smaller and Kaufman's has admittedly failed to compete effectively in this very challenging marketplace.

    I wish Lance and his staff well. I hope they survive as a team. If not, I wish them all success in whatever comes next.