Seiners

Discussion in 'Saltwater' started by SciGuy, Oct 18, 2011.

  1. Upton O

    Upton O Blind hog fisherman

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    Thank you Chris, I'm afraid that I'm growing into a serious skeptic but I've just seen too much "inaccuracy" when it comes to government data and related reporting. Looking back to this morning when I think I posted it, I was probably thinking out loud and the question is more rhetorical. Maybe I should change my name to Mr. Cynical. Anyway, what we have is what we have.
     
  2. Chris Johnson

    Chris Johnson Member: Native Fish Society

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    No problem Upton O, a litle skepticism is a healthy thing, we should look at everything the gov. does with a critical eye. Alot of guys don't have much experience with the industry, so I just try to share what I know. Its not that I'm advocating for more commercial fishing,in fact I think some forms will(and should), go by the way side. I spent a large part of my life doing it and I feel a need to speak up sometimes.
     
  3. Blktailhunter

    Blktailhunter Active Member

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    Three days ago we had schools of chum jumping everywhere between Bainbridge and Manchester. Two days ago the seiners showed up. Yesterday there wasn't a salmon to be seen. It makes me sick to my stomach.
     
  4. mtskibum16

    mtskibum16 Active Member

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    Wondered why I wasn't finding anything this morning!
     
  5. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    A bit of clarification on the tribal rules I stated earlier in this thread: The "set net" mesh size (5" minimum) is measured diagonally. In other words, from corner to corner "stretched". Therefore, a 2-1/2" square mesh is legal for a "set net". I learned this only recently. My bad. Anyhow, that is still a pretty dang small mesh if you ask me. I also learned that the "commercial" fisherman (non-tribal) get about 16 days a year on the Hood Canal. I don't no for certain if that's true, but, unlike the tribes, they have the HUGE deep nets that do a fantastic rape job of the Canal. Ok, I'm done bitching now.
     
  6. JayB

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    Thanks for doing all of the legwork necessary to get those stats.

    Before I say "Now we know what happened to the chum runs" it would be interesting to know what the total escapement is for the various salmon.

    I wish there was a way to pay tribal and commercial fishermen *not* to fish. I'd gladly chip in $100 per year towards a fund that would pay them to leave $100 worth of fish in the water. It'd never fly politically, but it seems like in theory you could match the economic value of the catch in smaller terminal fisheries with ESA listed fish and make at least a small dent in the pressure.

    People would probably then just set their nets immediately outside the zone that you've paid them not to fish in and totally negate any benefit of the offsets *and* pocket the money the harvest, but as long as we're allowed to indulge in a bit of daydreaming...
     
  7. Chris Johnson

    Chris Johnson Member: Native Fish Society

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    As far as chums go their commercial value is for their roe(it is viewed as the best in Japan), and the price depends alot on numbers in Alaska and Japan. This year the price is good so there is a lot of effort. I have seen forecast estimates for chum per river, but have not seen escapement #s. I will do some research and see what I can find.

    As for paying people to not fish, the state has had several license by back programs which have reduced the number of fishermen, but I believe market forces have done more to lower those numbers. You will never buy off treaty rights.
     
  8. ak_powder_monkey

    ak_powder_monkey Proud to Be Alaskan

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    Its pretty clear, half the harvestable surplus goes to the tribes. So while there's sport fishing there will be tribal fishing period. Stop sport fishing and you stop the netting, until then quit complaining.
     
  9. Griswald

    Griswald a.k.a. Griswald

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    Greedy net fisher people who will be lucky to break even on the catch are all over the south west part of colvos tonight. 8 boats between Olalla and Gig Harbor...
     
  10. bennysbuddy

    bennysbuddy the sultan of swing

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    How can you tell that they are cocksuckers ? Please inform me at what place and time you plan to call one of the guys that name face to face!!
     
  11. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    Well, now that's uncalled for.
     
  12. dryflylarry

    dryflylarry "Chasing Riseforms"

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    Actually, there are Killer Whales right now, according to the news, chomping down on those chum salmon lurking near Vashon. I love it!
     
  13. Chris Johnson

    Chris Johnson Member: Native Fish Society

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    Hookers n blow in Gig Harbor!
     
  14. Ringlee

    Ringlee Doesn't care how you fish Moderator Staff Member

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    This thread is full of so much mis-information. Thank you Curt for providing some factual data in your previous posts to alleviate the spread of false data and assumptions.

    The current price for Chum is $1.30 per pound. That is a VERY good price for Chum.


    Here is the link to the weekly Commercial Test Fishery at Apple Tree Cove for in season management for both Treaty and Non Treaty Commercial fishermen.

    http://blogs.nwifc.org/test-fishery/
     
  15. Go Fish

    Go Fish Language, its a virus

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    There is so much mis-info because you have
    to dig to get any rules and regs on the tribal
    fishing laws. Add in lax enforcement, if any, and
    you will have an upset group of people that want
    to preserve, instead of make a buck, and wonder why
    every year there are less fish.....

    No solution when dealing with a group that can
    do as it pleases.

    David