Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Jeff Hale, May 21, 2009.
And btw, screw bigfoot... do winter steelhead exist?
All we have are a few anecdotal stories and a few fuzzy pictures...although WDFW claims there are thousands of them breeding in our rivers!
The left side of my brain (at least, what remains of it) strongly tells me that there is no such thing as a Sasquatch :thumb:
However, when I am walking back to my car in the dusk of a summer evening on one the forks of the Snoqualmie, the right side of my brain is looking around for the big guy, flinching at unknown sounds, and accelerating my heart rate and my adrenal gland releases
Kinda like riding a hot roller coaster ... I imagine it is the same for many of you ...
No, the right side of my brain always hears bangos and hillbillies laughing. That is what gets my heart rate pumping and adreniline flowing.
I estimate that there are at least 500-600 Big feet in the Cascade region, mostly centered around the Mt. Baker area.
I am more skeptical as time goes on, with the number of people out there with cameras but no good pics. I read something in an old WA state guide book that described "large ape like creatures" by Mt St Helens, known to the Indians and settlers. It was not sensational, just a description of supposedly known creatures thought to be related to Neanderthals.
A bear in the woods in dim light + imagination = bigfoot. I have been known to make unusual loud shrieking noises in the woods.
As a person who has seen a sea monster in Ballard, I am not convinced in Bigfoot. Show me the evidence.
Now for the Ballard sea monster story. In the summer of 1972 as a teenager, a friend and I were fishing below the Ballard bridge, on an old dock by a burned out building (Seattle Cedar, possibly). You never knew what was on the end of your line - we caught rainbow and cutthroat, bluegill, bass, and yellow perch. We were sitting on the dock a couple of feet above the water, when an ENORMOUS fish swam beneath us. We looked at each other with mouths agape. DID YOU SEE THAT?!!! The fish was about 8 feet long, and quite thick, probably around 300 pounds. It meandered very slowly below us, about 3 feet under the surface, so we had time to get a good look. You don't forget a sighting like that.
Well, of course our dads did not believe us, thinking we saw a big salmon. It was no salmon, as I had caught 40 lb Chinook and know what they look like in the water. We tried to tell a few others, and they just laughed at us, so we kept quiet about it for years. I thought it could have been a big shark that was feeding on salmon at the Ballard locks, and accidentally entered through the locks. It would probably only last a few days in the fresh water, long enough to make it to the Ballard bridge.
The "sea monster" was explained in 1987, when a dead 11 foot sturgeon was found floating in the lake. I should have suspected a sturgeon as they are found in the Snohomish, but for some reason did not think of a sturgeon as a possibility. There have been numerous sightings, a five footer caught by UW Fisheries, pictures of a caught 7 foot sturgeon, and other qualified reports. I still am in contact with my friend, and he remembers it vividly. It is not known if they are remnants of when the Black River was sealed off in 1915, or if they entered through the locks. One was also found in Lake Sammamish. I would expect there is a sizable population of white sturgeon in Lake Washington, seldom seen or caught.
I now have no qualms about telling the story of the "Ballard Sea Monster", as it can be explained.
i believe. B.C. Canada, 1977.
Just a question as I'm on the fence on this...
How many of you have run across dead bear in the wild?
How many dead Sasquatch?
Seems one argument against the possibility of their existence is never finding the remains of a dead Sasquatch - so I'm just asking?!
Point was made earlier, but bears are spotted alive at times, sasquatch???, seems like they always turn out to be a hoax. How come Lewis and Clark never spotted the sasquatch, or any early explorers for that matter?
Point well taken Porter. But Native Americans, who spent alot more time in those same woods, have countless legends (and I agree that they are only legends and not proof) that the Sasquatch did/does exist. I'm sure that Lewis and Clark and other early explorers probably missed a species or two along the way. Obviously the debate will continue - and that's the fun! I don't really ever want to know for sure - one way or the other...
Grover Krantz lived in Sequim Washington during his last years, not far from my parents home. I once saw him lecture on the subject at the Sequim Library in the mid 90's.
After he died his wife had a garage sale. My wife attended the sale and knowing that I'm a fan of the legend she bought me a number of plaster casts from Krantz's collection. ( I guess his wife was ready to get rid of all that stuff ). I ended up with a very good collecton of supposed foot imprints and even one that showed a clenched fist with thumb print. A couple of the prints have the dermal ridges that are often touted as proof of bigfoot's existence.
I've always loved the idea of bigfoot. What a cool northwest legend.
One of my favorite movies of all time is "Mysterious Monsters" from the early 70's. A TV bigfoot documentary hosted by Peter Graves. Could not get enough of that as a kid.
Anyone remember the bigfoot episode of the Six Million Dollar man?
Actually I read a book back in college that had an account of a sasquatch sighting by either lewis and clark or captn cook (things were kinda foggy in my college days). I do remember that they sighted more than one and they followed along the top of a cliff watching the expedition. that book had numerous reports from early settlers and i think that, per capita, there were more sightings back then than now. That was an old book and we weren't allowed to take it out of the library there at the University of Alaska Fairbanks. It is a fact that almost all native cultures have a man-ape, man-bear, hairy man, etc legend. It's universal. I once saw a partial print that was nothing I could identify. My brother who was trustworthy once watched what he first thought was a bear walking on hind legs and then realized that it was walking too far and too fast. He had whatever it was in sight for some time but it was at a distance. We went to look for tracks afterward but only found depressions. Obvious something large had passed but not what. I can tell you there's no chance that was some goon in a gorilla costume. No doubt most bigfoot contacts are fraudulent but only most.
Are you perhaps thinking of Dr. Frederick Cook whose claims to have reched the North Pole a year before Peary and to have been first to ascend Mt McKinley have been dismissed as hoaxes?
I don't think so. Fredrick Cook is well known by anyone studying any history in
Alaska. There are some doubts about his Denali claim since agents working for peary paid his companion to say they never made the climb. said companion was an alcoholic living on the streets of yellowknife at the time. at any rate Cook did travel widely in parts of Alaska that were relatively unexplored at the time, he was no wuss but maybe a liar.
The book i alluded to was very old and even had some pages that were reproductions of hand written accounts by trappers and miners with stories all the way up from washington to BC, Yukon and Alaska. Yellowed pages, dogearred cover, i can remember that the cover was a faded red. There was also a soft cover booklet that was more specific to the anchorage area up to the mantanuska and suisitna valleys.
i'm pretty sure Sarah Palin has one mounted in her living room - it was a death panel decision.
This may seem like a dumb question, but what does "SFR" stand for?