Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by 509, Apr 22, 2008.
Who says they can't make a hybrid truck?
2009-2010 ford is coming out with a hybrid F150. But I doubt it will get 50 to 60 mpg. You will be lucky to get 30 mpg with out giving up towing power, and load capacity.
Good enough for me to buy! I'll take 30 any day over the 15 my Ranger gets. Chipped out I'm sure you could squeeze 35 out of it.
I had to buy a small commuter car this year. I got my Toyota Yaris for $11,400 brand new. It gets 40 mpg on the button, and the back folds flat into a small wagon to change or sleep in if I need to. If it had 4 more inches of ground clearance I would say it was the perfect fishing vehicle.
HERE'S YOUR AIR CAR JASON:
We're going to head to Montana in June or July - screw the fuel costs - I just wanna fish somewhere besides WA. And lately to combat fuel prices, I've been taking my float tube with me on the city bus.
Thanks to everyone for their posts......
Reading the posts....it appears about 25% will fish less, and 75% will continue to fish the same as now. My guess is that 25% number is probably high. So it does not look like it will be less crowded.
Surveys have suggested that folks are more becoming more committed and passionate about their recreational activities than their jobs. This group is definitely passionate and probably committed!!!
Also of the number that will continue to fish at today's levels 25% will try and do extended trips rather shorter day trips.
Looking at what happened in the 1979 to 1981 period. If I remember right recreation use did drop a few percent for a couple of years in areas far from metro areas. One issue during that time period was availability of gas not only price. So it was hard to judge if price really had that much effect.
One question is for those folks that plan on doing extended trips rather than shorter day trips. Can you do that with your job?
When I was working I could basically walk out the door for the day whenever I felt like it as long as I kept up and of course, put in the hours. Seeing the number of folks now fishing on weekdays it seems that flex-time is pretty popular these days.
It was a hell of a lot more difficult to take a couple of weeks off or for that matter even one week at a time. Those reports had to completed and meetings had to be attended. Throw family obligations into that mix and a three day weekend was about the max.
So do you think you'll be able to take longer trips??
There is probably one difference between 1979 and 2008. It will be several years, maybe even a decade or more before price of fuel is stable again.
PS. I don't think compressed air cars will cut it!!!
When I was twelve to fifteen I had to walk or ride a bike to most of my fishing destinations, Bitter Lake and Haller Lake were near and took 10 minutes or less....some destinations took an hour. I learned a lot from these walks about the neighborhood and stream/creek structure. I learned to appreciate my time on the water too. Maybe before I check out from this Cougar killing earth (I know) I will be walking again or riding some self propelling device to my fishing destination ....there will be some fishing destinations ..right?
I vow to make more trips and in that time stay longer periods of time at a single place. I'm just trying to go to places I can park, get the boat in, fish and not leave for a week. No traveling around at the end of the day all season. In Kamloops I see gas is getting close to $5 a gallon if I did my math right... will be avoiding getting lost this year!
About extended trips relating to job, it will work this year as I saved enough to work part time. Gonna try and get some work that packs the hours in for some of summer and fall.
I will kill fish for dinner... in high enough areas.
Definitely, the cost of everything is going up... I cringe when I go to the grocery store and see how expensive things are! Luckily I do okay and can afford to buy what I want too / need too.
I'll stick close to town for a while and probably plan on fishing the Snoqualmie Forks more this year, as well as the Sky and Snoqualmie.
I'm also open to carpooling more this year than before and trying to get at least one other person to come along for longer trips. I'm hestitant to do long day trips unless the fishing is known to be very good or that's all the time I have.
Definitely, cut back on other things! For me I've decided I'm going to work from home 3 - 4 days per week and go to meetings as necessary at my client site or company. Most of the time I can arrange my meetings in blocks of time so I don't have to go all over the place or just do conference calls.
As far as fishing, I'll bitch about it a bit, but will just skip what I have too and still go. Maybe skip that latte beforehand and tie a few more flies, rather than buy them (we'll see if that actually happens)!
The oil companies see the writing on the wall. They gotta wring every last dollar out of it before it's gone, and jack it up while they can.
This house-o-cards is gonna fall, and take everything else down with it, because we've constructed an economic/societal delivery system that is totally dependant upon cheap and easily available oil.
Hell, I'm thinking food and water are gonna get lean in the next ten years.
I don't like being a pessimistic SOB, but welcome to the lag phase.
Get it while you can.
Me? I'm taking longer fishing/backpacking vacations, and closer to home, instead of multiple long-travel/international trips throughout the year, and I've always made the decision to live close to where I work, and bike/walk/bus for the day-to-day stuff.
Hold on. It's gonna get crazy.
The oil (and military-industrial, and pharma) execs are gonna walk away rich and insulated.
There's a storm brewing. The middle- and lower-class are gonna get jacked.
French Revolution, anyone?
Gas is cheap
I was in New Zealand 10yrs ago paying about a buck a liter. $4/gal! Everyone drove what would be considered 'economy' cars by American standards. Even work trucks were these weird Isuzu 4cyl turbo diesels. They could pull reasonably well, but they solved the problem with gear ratios rather than fuel. Top speed on these puppies was probably 75mph.
Prior to the Opec oil embargo in the early 70's, 'economy' cars weren't very popular, especially not in the US. It took pissed off Arabs and jacked up oil prices for us to embrace that idea. Naturally, oil prices affected the prices of natural gas and home heating fuel as well. That's why you are more likely than not cozied up behind insulated walls and double-paned glass. Most houses were single-paned and many were uninsulated before the embargo.
Prices that are uncomfortable to us are the only mechanism that will actually bring about change. I think it's pretty phucked that we are so dependant on a finite, non-renewable resource that's mostly under questionable political control and horrible for the environment. We SHOULD have to pay big $$$ for the privledge of using it. It should be expensive.
As far as oil company profits go, they haven't always made money. I bought option contracts on a domestic oil driller in March of 99' when Brent crude was around $12 a barrel. It was costing small drillers close to $18 a barrel to get it out of the ground. Seemed too cheap to me. Lucky pick, I guess, it turned out to be the bottom of that downtrend. I made 300% on the July contracts. It's been straight up since, nearly a 10-fold increase. I would be inclined to think that somewhere in that 10-fold move they probably covered their losses. Obviously, any sort of subsidies, tax credits, etc... for the industry have to go. If you raise taxes on them, they'll just pass it on to us, but there should be some tax-based program that steers their profits into R&D for alternative fuels, fuel cells, solar, wind, hydrogen, electric, batteries, blah, blah. Rather than spending money on increasing capacity and exploration. Competition over oil is never going to go away. It's only going to get worse.
Compressed air cars?
I saw them on the History channel. They sounded like a quiet 2-stroke motorcycle. Cool idea, but it takes energy to get compressed air too.
Great thread. I'm on the cusp of getting a new truck and have been frustrated at the options out there. I'll hold on if a hybrid's in the offing.
On a somewhat related note, here's some links to the Tango being produced in Spokane. Hunt the net and you'll find a drag race against a Ferrari. Literally smoked it. It's essentially a slot car.
Not to hi-jack my own topic, but I talked to several folks that came back from Argentina. You can buy a F-150 with a diesel that will get in the range of 40-50 mpg. Sounded like it was a 3 cylinder???
Don't know what the tow capacity but if its MPG it might be worth waiting.
Also Honda is coming out with a diesel Accord hybrid....though unless you sit in traffic hybrids are a waste of money. But the rumour is the Honda hybrid will go to 60-80 in city traffic.
With the new low sulfer diesel American car makers can finally meet EPA air quality standards with diesel engines. So it looks like we are finally going to get some of those high mileage vehicles that the rest of the world has been driving. Of course, you know what that's going to do to the price of diesel!!!