SFR--Why People hate California......

Discussion in 'Fly Fishing Forum' started by Vladimir Steblina, Jan 31, 2014.

  1. Krusty

    Krusty Krusty Old Effer

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    Having lived in a number of places during my service years, I always wanted to return to Washington....none of the others ever felt like home.

    It is easier for people who've never set down roots (generations of ancestors, children, and grandchildren) in a community or region to simply pick up and move....and they sometimes find that others aren't going to invest emotional capital in developing more than a superficial relationship with such people. It's not a judgment, just decision by the deeply rooted to conserve emotional resources.

    The interesting thing is that the frequency of Americans relocating themselves and their families is at an all time low....and it predates the Great Recession and aftermath.
     
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  2. Vladimir Steblina

    Vladimir Steblina Retired Forester...now fishing instead of working

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    It's forecast to dump rain this weekend!
     
  4. Charles Sullivan

    Charles Sullivan dreaming through the come down

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    That's a very interesting explaination, and it doesn't make much sense to me. I've had some awesome short duration relationships before. They were worth having, even if they ended because I moved. Maybe it's just a situation where different peoples brains work differently.

    Go Sox,
    cds
     
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  5. Krusty

    Krusty Krusty Old Effer

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    I guess I've always had, and treasured, a few 'friends for life', rather than a large number of transient acqaintenances. I wanted my children, and grandchildren, to be more than long distance phonecalls (nowadays skype!) and occasional poorly remembered visits. Place, and community, have deep emotional meaning in my family's personal world. I guess 'awesome short duration relationships' aren't what my particular family cherishes. When 'the chips are down' (as they will, at some time, be for every human being) where will such people fit in...where would I be for them?

    I suspect these preferences are determined by early experiences; I've known a large number of people who've left behind a succession of wives and discarded children. It's just foreign to me...having been married to the same wonderful woman for nearly 50 years, and seeing my offspring grow-up on a daily basis. Gypsies begat gypsies....and I don't mean that in a derogatory way. You can't fathom what you've never known.
     
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    I saw on the news that Cali would need hard rain every other day through May to get out of the water crisis!
     
  7. Drifter

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    Well that's ok! they will just sell there 2 bedroom home for half a million and buy property along your river and close down all public access. Your river will be next!
     
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  8. Robert Engleheart

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    Ca went through this before; early 90's we had the "miracle March" that dumped all month and brought us out of it. We need snow, more than rain. It appears the ridge of high pressure has been broken by last week's storm and there may be more headed this way.
    In reference to the topic, I've lived in the Sonoran Desert,Oregon, Alaska and California. If I didn't have grandkids near me, I'd be elsewhere but I haven't found that perfect spot in 60 years. I'm with Krusty, moved a lot as a kid and later as a construction worker, I went where the work was, never been one to sit. Ended up in CA as I could work 54 weeks/year if I wanted to, that wasn't happening anywhere else in the 80's. Then I decided I wanted to let my kids finish school where they started and keep some stability in their lives. I've been a lot worse places and it's only as bad as you want to make it. I'm 50 miles from the high Sierra, 85 miles from the Ocean, lot further for Steel, but no traffic to speak of and my home cost a fraction of Seattle/PDX prices. 9 months a year we have perfect weather, 3 months are Africa hot. Get out of town.
    Vladimir, can't agree with you on solar, I pay about 10 cents/KWH, I know yours is less, but not 20X. And I'm not getting mine from hydro (I think) that's so good for our favorite fish. Military moving out of CA? Not at the Naval Air Station in my home town that's grown exponentially over the last decade. Nor at many other bases in the state. Yes, some were closed and others relocated, but that was a national event that coincided with the end of the cold war, no?
    I will agree with you re: "carrying capacity"; but what's the answer? In that sense, CA is a sign of the future of many other western states, I think.
    Keep ragging on CA, though, mebbe more people will leave here and move to the beautiful Evergreen State (as in Grant Co.).
    Best regards,:)
     
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  9. Jim Paget

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    There has "always" been a disconnect in California between where the population is centered and the supply of water. If you ever saw the PBS series on the National Parks you saw that San Francisco's water primarily comes from the Hetch Hetchy reservoir in the Sierras. My first wife's great grandfather was the first water engineer of San Francisco. He was the one that sited Hetch Hetchy. The family horseback camped for two summers as a cover for looking for the site of the dam. Even in those days, there was well-founded fear that if word leaked out as to the preferred site that speculators would buy up the land, driving up the price of the dam site.
     
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  10. Krusty

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    Interesting!

    I think what is frequently lost in contemporary thought regarding such matters is that the 'technologists' of that era were just trying to meet human needs....and that our 'solutions' to subsequent problems may well be fraught with surprises. We really don't know as much as we think we do.
     
  11. Trapper Badovinac

    Trapper Badovinac Author, Writer, Photographer

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    Back in the 1960s, my friends and I would gather around the TV to watch a show called Where the Action Is. I don't remember all the lyrics but one part I remember was

    Oh Baby come on,
    Let me take you where the action is.

    All the action was in southern California -- sunny skies, girls in bikinis on sandy beaches, very cool cars, and rock and roll. Sitting in front of a TV in Colorado, I thought I was watching heaven. Everyone I knew wanted to be in California.

    In 1968 I enlisted in the Navy partly because I thought I could spend my free time hanging out with good looking girls in bikinis. (My recruiter promised me I would be a Postal Clerk in the Mediterranean and hang out with good looking Italian women on nude beaches) When I found myself stationed in SoCal, I thought it was pretty cool.

    It didn't take me long before I figured out why some of us got so many extra shots in boot camp and I didn't get back to California for a while. I was then stationed at China Lake. It's out in the Mojave. I liked it. It was hot, sure, but I'd ride my dirt bike through the desert, camp out, and was pretty much free to shoot my guns. The beach was a long way away and the "lake" in China Lake hadn't had water in it for a few million years, but I was ok with it.

    My point, after my little trip down nostalgia lane, is back in the 1960s and 1970s, everyone wanted to be in southern California. It was where everything new and cool was. Hell, even the Beverly Hillbillies went there! The hype coming out of that place was intense and it made everywhere else look, well, dull and boring.

    Later in life I came to realize that all that flash and glitter was an illusion and it came at a great cost.

    I see California now much differently than I did back then, but I can find no reason to denigrate those who enjoy living there.

    Trapper
     
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  12. Mark Kulikov

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    Well said Trapper.
     
  13. Skysoldier

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    Yes because no one from Washington, Oregon, Montana, Idaho or Wyoming owns any of the property closing off access to our water ways............rrrrright! There is an old saying that comes to mind, thanks for opening your mouth and proving it right once again.

    I am always amazed by the amount of hate some people have for others because they have different ideas, belong to a different political group, dress differently or just plain come from another state.
     
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  14. Alex MacDonald

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    My family has ranched in northern CA since it was a Spanish possession: I moved out 8 years ago ending this, but my loser brother still has the last 65 acres of land near the Peoples' Republic of Davis. Good for him; he can figure out how to make a living from dirt, `cause that's all it is. even the well's not servicable now. But for the life of me, having been raised there, and seen the changes all around me as I grew up, I can't for the life of me find anything good to say about the people, politicians, political climate, the nasty comments/looks/keyed cars/spittle I got just from daring to have a Bush sticker on my car. Give me a fucking break. It was crystal clear to me that as a conservative, I had NO place in that state until I got up to the Redding-Yreka area, where I fit in. So I support the State of Jefferson movement completely. This isn't the first time they've tried it, either.
     
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    freestoneangler Not to be confused with Freestone

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    Hell, we were practically neighbors... I drove past Davis in route to Travis AFB for over 6 years. Interestingly enough when I was in San Diego on business late summer 2012, I was amazed to see all the fervent political stickers (hell, posters) on cars...and my first thought was wow, are they ever taking a big chance on the paint jobs and tires. But, speaking with the folks we met with, I came to realize that San Diego is the Redding of the south... and that folks were not concerned about openly expressing their political positions... as it should be.