Shooting my C-spey

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  1. daveypetey

    daveypetey Active Member

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    )I have been out practicing 2 times so far with my skagit set-up (Echo 7) after watching Skagit Master quite a few times before and after. Once on the grass, and once out in the Sound. While I can get some distance on the grass (maybe 40 or 50') in the sound I can only manage 40'. Is the still water not ideal for practice? I really want to be able to get a little more distance. :(
     
  2. Idaho steel

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    Still water is actually ideal for practice, as it provides a consistent medium to work with, and allows you to focus on consistency in your set up/cast. For what it's worth, probably the single biggest issue I see with new casters is too much line stick. Distance is going to come from good technique, and after only two practice sessions, I wouldn't expect anyone to have everything dialed in.
     
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    Thanks for the input. Line stick? I have not heard that term before.
     
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    i've found the C-spey kinda sucks for distance, great for a quick short cast but if you really want some power load up a perry poke
     
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    Good to know. Haven't tried the poke yet, only watched it on the DVD. Should I start that one on the grass as well?
     
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    the c-spey is a powerful cast and a great cast to learn. keep working at it and you'll get the hang of it.
     
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    "Line stick" refers to how much line is lying on the water as you move into your forward cast. The more line, the "stickier" it is, and the tougher it is to make a clean cast. With a skagit set up, the resistance to load the rod is provided by the sunken tip. The addition of any of that fat shooting head on the water can be problematic. Most beginning casters I see have a real tendency to drop the line on the water during the back cast. A good clue is if you hear a gawdafull "sluuuuurrrrpppppp" as you hit the forward cast.

    The other issue tends to be proper anchor placement, (and not just for beginners.)

    Again, distance comes from good technique. It shouldn't matter what cast you are using.
     
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    40-50 feet on your second time speycasting is not too bad. It took me years to be able to cast okay and I still need work on my cast. You are very lucky to have all the videos, new equipment technology and casting clinics around to help. When I started, there were no videos or no skagit lines. I believe the RIO windcutter had just hit the shelves when I bought my first spey rod. Keep practicing, the distance will happen soon enough.
     
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    Fascinating. I thought I wanted the stick to load the rod up. Good to know.
     
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    Stick does load the rod during the sweep. However, once you begin your forward cast the too much stick keeps your line from leaving the surface of the water. Inhibiting your cast. You have to find the balance between too much stick and blowing your anchor.
     
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    Just for fun I clicked on steve s avatar and it's odd. He's been a member of this forum since Dec. 31, 1969...and he's only 38 yrs old?..not to mention...which internet was that?? Was WFF there?

    Keep casting, just as steve s suggested! Apologies for the highjack.
     
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    My join date changed several years back after a forum update/change, not sure what happened and I don't know if I can change it. Not sure exactly when I joined, back in 2001 I think.
     
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    Far better to learn 'any' cast actually on the water. Unless you've got a really good (you make your own) 'grass leader,' the anchor loading from grass to water will be very different. PP is a must know cast. Good in its own right for chucking tips, but where it really shines is when you 'blow' almost any other cast. IMMEDIATELY execute the 'Poke and 95% of the time you're right back in business.
     
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    I guess I need to watch that video. Years ago when I took my first spey casting lessons, the c-spey was a set-up cast for the double spey cast. It was very similar to the snap-t.
     
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    Steve, only two really different casts, and it's equipment/line dependent.

    'Kiss and go' (most) or let the sink head sink (Skagit lines/heads).

    A few odd off's on how the first will work, but the end game is the line/leader just touches the water or with a Skagit you let that head SINK before you rip it out of the water. Can you load a given rod for either? Probably, but you will not get the best of both Worlds.

    Touch and go can be a very flexible rod tip; Skagit's require a "stiff rod tip" (hope I said that right).

    Just a 'trust me on this one,' you can really tell the difference.

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