Shooting my C-spey

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by daveypetey, Dec 13, 2012.

  1. Steve Saville

    Steve Saville Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2009
    Messages:
    2,948
    Likes Received:
    572
    Location:
    Tacoma, WA
    Oh, I understand the concepts of the casts and lines. I was questioning the name of the cast. The post was about a short distance and when I learned the C-spey, it was a lateral/parallel cast to the bank to get the line in position for a double spey cast. I guess I'd better get that video so I can get the terminology correct.
     
  2. soundflycaster

    soundflycaster Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2009
    Messages:
    191
    Likes Received:
    11
    Location:
    Mossyrock, WA
    After watching many casters over the years struggle with distance after setting up with a Cspey, or a Snap T I have found that one of two things happen. First too much time between the landing of the line on the water and the delivery part of the spey cast thus resulting in too much line stick and secondly the location of where the line lands will not allow the line to be easily moved into a straight line with the rod tip that the delivery spey needs to get maximum distance out of the cast. As was suggested a Perry Poke can help get things all in a straight line and help eliminate having too much line stick. I always suggest practicing on the water, either still or moving over grass any day. Even with a grass leader it is hard to replicate the timing with any of the double spey type casts. When practicing take time to focus on different parts of the cast one at a time. I would start with watching where the line lands just before the delivery part of the cast. If not perfect throw a switch cast back down stream and start again until you get comfortable and consistent. Once you can land the set up (C-spey) regularly then move into your delivery cast. Personal instruction is always a good way to get the learning curve shortened and well worth the investment in time and money.

    Good luck
     
    fredaevans likes this.
  3. Steve Saville

    Steve Saville Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2009
    Messages:
    2,948
    Likes Received:
    572
    Location:
    Tacoma, WA
    I see better what you are talking about now that I thought it through. You are talking about executing a C-spey and then going further and doing a switch cast . That has to be done in one single motion or there is too much line stick. My nephews learned that technique from Aaron Reimer last year and they both do it way better than I can. They are 11 and 12 years old; makes me feel rather inadequate. They use custom built 12'6" rainshadow rods with Ambush lines if that helps.
     
  4. danimal

    danimal Inglorious Twohander

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2007
    Messages:
    75
    Likes Received:
    13
    Location:
    michiana,SW lk mich
    My two strongest casts R both cackhand- river left, reverse snapT--river right-cackhand snapT.
    Right hand up only caster for years--N no I aint changing!

    Last wk I was lowholing two spawn drifters from the other side of the river:rolleyes:
    130ft from me to the far bank.. Kind of pissed em off when I hit a fish at their feet:D
     
  5. Rob Allen

    Rob Allen Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2007
    Messages:
    1,880
    Likes Received:
    918
    Location:
    Vancouver WA
    the cast you choose to perform has nothing to do with distance all the casts are pretty much equal some casts feel more powerful, but it seems to be a different cast for everyone so it's more likely how we preform that cast. without being there to see you cast the best advise i can offer is to slow down and use more bottom hand
     
  6. fredaevans

    fredaevans Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 17, 2004
    Messages:
    3,157
    Likes Received:
    138
    Location:
    White City, Oregon, USA.
    Basic difference between a Snap T and a Circle is what you do with the rod tip AT THE END. Both start the same way, high rod tip sweep with a over/under pass with the rod tip. Where they differ is the Circle sweep keeps going past you; the Snap T is a rod tip 'chop' back down on the water in front of you to set up the anchor.


    Edit to add a bit: With a 'circle' its not unusual (lots of line out the tip-top) to have the anchor set up well above you ... and you just wait for the thing to 'float by' then into the D loop/forward cast. I actually had one time (lot of line out) where I had time to pull out/light a smoke!) while the line did its thing. With the snap T the anchor will usually set up where you want same or slightly down stream.

    Where the 'danger' comes into this is where's the fly going to go? With a circle highly unlikely your rod will be put at risk. Not so with a snap t ... which why its also called the 'Snapped Tip.'