Short swats

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  1. hookedonthefly

    hookedonthefly Active Member

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    I run a 6wt Ambush on my 8 wt. single handers. I add a Delta spey replacement tip 6/7 sink 3 or sink 7 primarily. This is a 13' tip that I cut back to 9'. This puts the sink tip at about 50g. I've also cut back an intermediate 6 wt. Versi-Tip to 50g and it works well.

    With this configuration, there is minor overloading on overhead casting at about 65-70' where the loop wants to tail. An 8 wt. single hander is lined perfectly with this rig for single hand spey.

    I can get a demo line & tips in the mail tomorrow if you're interested. ed@theconfluenceflyshop.com
    Ed

    Oh, and it's also a great 6wt shooting head line as well as a gem to cast on the Echo SR 5 wt. switch.
     
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  2. Tom Palmer

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    Sean- for what you are describing I would look strongly at the Jim Teeny Chuck & Duck fly line in the 8' version. No loops to bother with.

    Would work nicely for high-sticking flies though rock gardens like on the Sol Doc.
     
  3. Creatch'r

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    I'm intrigued by the ambush, would the 6wt version line my 6119 tcx enough to strip some bull trout streamers around?
     
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    Ambush. It's flat out the best line I've ever used for that type of fishing...works great on slower rods as well.
     
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    Thanks for the generous offer! I have all the tips I need for this line, I'm gonna take your word for it and go ahead and pull the trigger. Sounds like exactly what I'm after. If it's too light for double duty on my switch rod so be it... Thanks again.
     
  6. Pat Lat

    Pat Lat Mad Flyentist

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    6 wt is 235 gr I'd go heavier if I were putting it on a switch. It lines my 9'7wt nicely, but I have a friend that has the 350gr on his 4wt switch ONE for spey casting on the beach, and the 10wt ambush on his 6wt switch
     
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  7. Randall Clark

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    as far as lining, just like with a spey rod, different people like different loads. I like the 8wt Ambush (290gr) for my SH 7/8wt glass because it loads nice and deep, but some may not like it like that (not very good for overhead casting, but excellent for single-hand spey casting, which rules on small coastal steelhead streams with lots of brush).
     
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    I see what you're saying pat but I will be adding grainage with sink tips which will add a noticeable amount of load. I think the line will be nuts on for my SH 896 which is really all I care about. If I could make it work on my switch for trout streamers that would be neat but I'm not worried. Besides casting distance is a moot point when the steelhead are sitting so close you can spit on them. I want a rod handy that will limit me to close quarters and allow me to make a better presentation in those little buckets instead of tempting me to over cast and over wade. It's a little niche and won't get used everyday but I bet it picks up its share of fish when the time is right. But then again maybe not? It'll be fun messing around with anyways... Thanks for all replies. It's been helpful.
     
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    Pat Lat Mad Flyentist

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    Also keep in mind that the ambush 6wt is an 18ft head where the 7wt is 20ft not too much heavier, arond 270 but the extra length might help it anchor better on your 6119
     
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    You ever pick up a FF858, Sean? I have been using that with an 8wt Ambush and it is tits. Super sick for some of the little lower C tribs. Got some nasty boat swings on the Klick last year, too. Same line on that 896-xp is a little heavy with a tip, but pushes big flies and roll casts like a champ.
     
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    No never did find one and then in my journey impulsively bought two other trout glass rods and had to cut myself off. Wups! Maybe this year.... Never thought of the single handed rod for boat swinging. That's legit! That's another great use for this new setup.
     
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    Jeremy Floyd fly fishing my way through life

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    I got teased a lot for boat swinging.. I learned to do it on the klamath. It works amazingly well, when it works.
     
  13. hookedonthefly

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    Sean, I'll look forward to hearing what you think about the Ambush line 6wt on that rod...It's one of my favorite combos. I know you're looking for a short swat line but don't sell it short on distance in tight quarters. Pretty awesome.

    Boat swinging is cool...I also call it pulling flies. Ha!
    Best,
    Ed
     
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    Sean I use an outbound short on my 8104 XP. I single spey almost exclusively with it when I use it for winter fish. I love it, roll casts and snap T's are a breeze and I can be fishing 70+ feet in one cast. Just a thought, that way you wouldn't have to deal with the loop connections on a shooting head type system. I have been thinking about grabbing a Skagit comp. in 6wt and cutting it up for my XP though. Oh I just grabbed A Skagit comp. Intermediate 600gr for the coast next week. Pumped to see this line swing. Good luck with your choice, let us know what you some up with.