size of flies?

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by kimosabe, Jul 1, 2007.

  1. Steelie Mike

    Steelie Mike Active Member

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    Personal preference and confidence again are the main factors involved when choosing a fly. I like TallFly do not have a lot of confidence in hairwing flies. I have caught more fish swinging leech patterns than any other. Then again people laugh at me for swinging caballero eggs patterns as well. Both I know are effective and I have caught many a fish on them. My MOAL leeches are two to three inches with two pieces of flash. There is a lot of movement in them and I find that most if not all takes are very aggresive.

    I do use hairwing patterns, but have little confidence in them. I can count the number of steelhead on one hand that I have caught with them. Cutthroat and salmon are another story though. I find that steelhead that are in fresh water for longer periods of time do acclimate themselves to their surroundings and will take dab patterns like a burlap or spade, hence why dead drifting nymphs or swinging nymphs can be very effective in the summer. Larger flies will pick up the aggressive fish and smaller neutral patterns presented appropriately can take the more lockjaw fish. Finding fish in that appropriate mood is all part of the game. I have caught Eastside fish on both, but do see the point that working a run first with a big fly may put down some fish.
     
  2. Hal Eckert

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    Well I have had the same luck with hair wings over the years, but have had luck with this one I designed four years ago and have a caught some steelhead with it. Give it a try.


    Hook: steelhead up or down eye size 4-10
    Thread: Black
    Over Wing: Black kid goat hair
    Under Wing: Purple kid goat hair, optional a few fibers of dark colored angel hair over the under wing
    Hackle: black or purple hackle collored
    Body: Hairline Krystal Pearl Chennile Purple
    Tag: Gold holographic tinsel
    Tail: Black krystal hair fibers

    Name: Bruiser

    :beer2:

    BG



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  3. kimosabe

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    high sticking with a spey?

     
  4. Red Shed

    Red Shed "junkyard spey"

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    Yes they are. Mostly rods in the 13' range.
     
  5. Panhandle

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    I like that fly Black Ghost:thumb:
     
  6. TallFlyGuy

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    :rofl: :rofl:

    let me tell a story about hairwing flies and "bigger" flies. So Mike and I are camping on the Grand ronde(sp). I'm convinced from the reading and all the lore I've heard that hairwing flies are the ticket. In fact a Guide hands me this great looking hairwing fly. He's been doing this for years, and has lots of confidence in this fly. He says it will work... Who am I to doubt this, I mean this is his profession. So i go through the run first. Notta zip zilch. then as i am finishing up, I hear this. zip zzzzzzzzzzzz "FISH!!" Steelie mike going throug behind me hooks up with a fish. Son of a B%$%. A leech pattern 3-4" long nailed the fish. Low clear water....Both using same rod, same line, and same intermediate tip. I think from that moment on, I chucked the hairwings. They look cool as hell though.
     
  7. Panhandle

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    Sounds like he put the fly in front of the fish better than you.:p
     
  8. Red Shed

    Red Shed "junkyard spey"

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    Tall, Your story proves nothing except that Steelie Mike caught a fish and you didn't. It could just as easily been reversed. Players are where you find them.

    The "magic fly" is whatever one a person has the most confidence in, whatever that fly is. Tall in my opinion you have learned the secret of the "magic fly" and I'll give you points for that.

    Here's to summer chrome and the flies that catch them, whatever they are. :beer2:
     
  9. Steelie Mike

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    You guys are funny:) !
     
  10. Red Shed

    Red Shed "junkyard spey"

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    Well maybe so, but that wasn't my intent.
     
  11. TallFlyGuy

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    Poppy, It doesn't prove anything, but in my head it means alot. I look for stimulus-response, Cause and effect. That fish ignored my fly and hit his. Why? Don't know. The bigger fly, got the response. It could of been reversed, but in my experience the first guy through usually pulls the fish.

    :beer2: to Steel!
     
  12. Panhandle

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    Tall, I don't know how long you've been fishing for steelhead? But the first guy through doesn't usually catch the fish. I really don't think it had anything to do with your fly vs. Mike's, I think he presented it different and got the player. Or even more probable, he was luckier than you. Your stimulus response thing is purely subjective and that's fine, but--- I've been out fished on many occasions by veterans that understand water and presentation better than I. In other words the fly was, and often is, insignificant.
     
  13. TallFlyGuy

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    Yep, I'm a rookie. Sorry for responding.
     
  14. Will Atlas

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    now now boys. I think the nail was hit on the head a long time ago, fish what you're confident in and enjoy fishing. Tall obviously catches alot of fish as does steelie mike and from what I gather they both prefer fishing large flies even during low water conditions. Obviously it works...look at their galleries. That being said, steelhead could just as effectively be taken on a #10 green butt skunk in the same conditions if you fish the fly well and fish it with confidence. The bottom line is that steelhead, especially native steelhead are aggressive. While they can sometimes be dour, more often then not if the conditions are favorable you can catch them on whatever you like. For me that means fishing small hairwings and dries in the summer. I am definitely the greenest steelheader to have weighed in on this, but I think its more or less true.

    Another thing I constantly think about...people are often skeptical of fishing small flies for steelhead because they think they fish for some reason cant see it. I've spent a bit of time underwater watching salmonids, observing their behavior, how they move in the water, how they respond to stimulus and I can tell you...they dont miss much. I've literally watched steelhead in a run pick up nymph after nymph as they floated downstream. Also consider this: people frequently catch steelhead sized trout on tricos flies which are typically about size 22. I think its safe to say steelhead see my #6 bomber cruising across the top of their run. I like Poppy's rule, and that guy has probably caught 300 times as many steelhead as I have so I'll take his word for it.
     
  15. Red Shed

    Red Shed "junkyard spey"

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    The above statement is exactly my point. You BELIEVE in those BIG moal leeches and that is why you should be fishing them. You have confidence in them and that is what counts.

    Bring those BIG flies the next time you come over. I will happily follow you through Poppy's riffle while using a hairwing. We most likely won't prove anything either way but it will be fun. Maybe Steelie Mike will be with you and I'll follow both of you through Poppy's riffle.