skagit vs. the world.

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by Panhandle, Feb 4, 2011.

  1. fisshman26

    fisshman26 Member

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    I thought your original peacock photo was funny actually the attack was when you called me out about not teaching what I preach.
    Mark, so when can I book you for a trip or as of right now I am booked to do the Redshed clave and I think the Michael and Young clave this spring, see you there???
     
  2. yuhina

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    Philster,

    that's a good and Rare photo indeed. Believe it or not. A recent research have shown that a male peacock will adjust their display directions to female depends on the light direction! Is that cool or what?! : )
     
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    never mind, I got too many beers....
     
  4. Mark Speer

    Mark Speer It's all good.....

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    :thumb::thumb: Looking forward to it even more now!
     
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    Well MaRk Speer I look forward to seeing you as well. Last year was the first Redshed clave that I did not give a demo at cuz of a new job, I was bummed.
     
  6. yuhina

    yuhina Tropical member

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    Wish I can make it... I will try...
     
  7. Philster

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    Hey Bruce. I actually do have quite a bit of experience, and at my peak could single spey every commercially available longbelly off my weakside. So I understand a critical issue in this discussion:

    Unfishable position, means different things to different people. I know. Accept. And feel no jealousy over the fact that what is unfishable to me with a long and what is unfishable for you are two different things. I saw Mike Maxwell make a cast that frankly looked like he was a knight, trying to stab a dragon in the heart. No fulcrum whatsoever. All stabbing motion. Ugly as death backin' out a shithouse door holding a copy of Mad Magazine. But he came damn close to straightening the line, and got 50 feet with no line ever passing alongside him, let alone behind him. Part of that was a function of his skills, and part of that was a function of the rods he designed.

    So, how about we shift this discussion to mechanics instead. With modern fast action rods, what do you do when you can get minimal load, and hardly any, to no line behind you, or even more importantly, your line and anchor are out in front? What is the stroke like? Are you pushing out with both hands cocked as far as you can, then applying a fulcrum? Do you fulcrum first with no forward drift, and then thrust the tip as far as possible? Or do you not have a set go to technique, and just determine what each rod needs?

    But seriously, the scenario that's in my head... Never mind:clown:
     
  8. fisshman26

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    Mark 10 trips would be over 6grand sooooo do you really want to go there.
    I have seen your videos and you are a fine skagit caster to say the least but to say that video does justice to any teaching of casting compared to hands on, is like saying the those with a thci are the be all to end all in casting instructers but that would be another thread just as the mechanics of long belly casting is.
    Its just casting for goodness sake some of the best advise I ever got concerning casting was from one wise incredible caster from Scotland when he said dont worry about grn weight matched up and elbow down or up or whatever technique........ just get it out there.
    You should talk to Ed about fishing up my way he had a pretty good time last time he was up.
     
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    Philster, now this is more like it. No need to give me your credentials btw:thumb:
    First of all I am not a big fan of fast action rods and prefer more traditional actions and do not fish any rod shorter than 15ft and a 17ftr is my go to rod. The big rods help in tight situations against the bank and yes I know you could argue that they wont work under trees but I just kind of make them work, like I said before hard is fun.
    I alluded to doing the difficult casts in my last post but basic fundamentals and good timing as you know are the keys, dosnt really matter what line systems you are using. Very hard for me to explain mechanics here as I am much better at articulating in person and seeing what needs to be adjusted in a persons cast and that is where video is lacking in my opinion.
     
  10. yuhina

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    Bruce,

    Thank you to the kind response compare to my previous childish writing! I apologize for that and .... I am still drinking... : )
    I agree with you... I always try to cast some "impossible lines" -- out of recommended grain... just try to push the mechanic boundary and to "have some fun"...

    OK, here is the famous peacock photo

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    The original idea of sexual selection is from Charles Darwin TOO.
    He mentioned male grow the fancy feather to obtain the advantage to attract the females... even it carries a little advantage in survival (Natural selection, his own invention too). And this photo is just making fun of that!

    Thanks Bruce! Looking forward to meet you!

    Mark
     
  11. Panhandle

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    Mark, want to split a trip up there?
     
  12. Red Shed

    Red Shed "junkyard spey"

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    skagit vs. the world...the bottom line is:

    How you get the line out and fishing is personal preference so as long as it works and is easy no one should care but the caster. MSB
     
  13. Ed Call

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    skagit vs. the world...the bottom line is:

    Poppy For The Win!
     
  14. Philster

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    I'm with you on rod action. Length, not so much! In fact my favorite rod, which is too big for much of the year where I live is a CND Skagit specialist. I chose it because I was casting all these fast action rods for a day or two at a clave, and when I picked up the Skagit, the first 3 casts I attempted I hit myself with the line! I instantly knew it was the rod for me, and hoped I hadn't permanently screwed up my stroke on those fast sticks!

    I just waded in on a post over on a spey specific board where fast action switch rods were being discussed. Apparently a particular 6 wt sage model requires an outbound 10 wt to load it. 425 for overhead casting exclusively! I couldn't help but wonder what you'd need to spey cast it! :beathead: I bet it's a lot of fun on "6wt" fish too. I could see myself on the Umpqua wondering if I hooked a fish or a leaf...
     
  15. yuhina

    yuhina Tropical member

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    I just keep talking... as we love...

    I have some idea in mind this is what you prefer and I "kind of" can picture how you do it (you know I am "fuzzy" and just like to see it in my eyes... I guess I need to book a trip soon... : ) ) When I saw Al Buhr doing his "chip cast" it was just an amazing moment that brighten my day... Ha...