skagit vs. the world.

Discussion in 'Spey Clave' started by Panhandle, Feb 4, 2011.

  1. golfman65

    golfman65 Guest

    would be nice to actually see a carron line...those things are harder to get down here then the damn steelhead..lol..
    and yes I believe Aaron might be the only guy who stills has a few but when I talked to him recently I believe he said he's not carrying them anymore...

    Still talk is talk...unless your going Mortensen on us...I want to see that cast made as well....

    Arggghhhh....I guess what's the point though?....guys are gonna fish what they want and the argument is half the fun...but would still bet dollar to donuts 99% with those long liners would be walking by water the skagit guys fish...

    Just MHO though...
     
  2. Philster

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    I fished the earlier Carrons. We are probably working off different definitions of "anchor way out in front", little backcast etc. But as you can tell, I'm not out to fight over which one is best. In fact I mentioned my recent outings with true skagit lines. 18 full arm long strips (and I'm 6'3") between casts, and I haven't even got my stroke back. In freezing conditions, managing that running line when I won't be as articulate managing sections with my frozen pinky and ring finger is an issue. It's probably why Ed Ward, last time I saw him, and it has been years, uses mono. it sinks, and leaves the water with little resistance. No system is perfect.

    What's wrong with making things harder? Well if I was Lee Wulff, flying into Labrador in the 60's I'd be using a 6'6" rod and full floaters year round too. But fish are few and far between, and I don't get out that much anymore. I want every advantage. I'm fully aware of what Aaron can do. The thing is we're quickly approaching the circus trick level of casting in these discussions. I'm not talking about someone pulling something off in front of crowd and getting applause. I'm talking about fishing all day. I just want to fish. But rest assured, even with an improved Carron, and the old one didn't require cutting either, we're not talking about the same circumstance.
     
  3. inland

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    And the ass measuring and cock sniffing continues...

    I bet you can't do this....

    I bet you can't do that....

    I bet...

    I bet...

    Who freaking cares? Believe. Don't believe. Write your name in pee on the wall.

    If you only fish a skagit good on ya. Stop justifying why. There isn't anything to justify. There are advantages and disadvantages to all of it. None of it is the be-all-end-all.

    William
     
  4. Philster

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    You look at a civil discussion, between two people being polite and this is your response? I would suggest that your need to feel superior and be above it all is clouding your perspective. I think fisshman and I are having a good time discussing lines. I am curious to see how the carrons have evolved. When the only options were rio and SA, the "softness" of the carron was breath of fresh air. I will give one a toss.

    Your little screed is about 2 pages too late. But I bet it felt great! :rofl:
     
  5. yuhina

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    Thanks Philster!

    It's time to dust off my Scott G 16' 10 weight!! :thumb:

    Mark
     
  6. James Waggoner

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    There is a time and place for everything. Like today, I found myself scrambling back to the truck to get my Skagit set up because I was getting blown off the river trying to cast a 38' 3d power taper. Yeah sure some will say "I can cast all day in the wind with that set up...", but I wasn't about too. After getting to my truck, I forgot I had cleaned out my rear seat and put my other rod in the garage...so I was back on the water fighting the wind...it wasn't pretty or enjoyable but I made a morning out of it.

    Sure would have been nice to have had the right tool today....and by the way I'm a fly fisherman so the right tool for me is never a level wind, spin reel or center pin, when angling for steelhead.

    Though I doubt I'd really use it much, I'd really like to learn to cast a long belly. So here is a question: "Can someone prescribe me a long belly for either a Le Cie 12'6" 8/9 or Sage 7136 z?" if it's something really hard to find...where can I get it? Or are my rod's not really conducive to the long belly?

    James.
     
  7. inland

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    Phil,

    Not sure how you came to the superiority conclusion. But whatever have fun with your re-initiation to fishing and casting.

    William
     
  8. Philster

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    All personal opinion here, but I draw the line at 13'6" for midbelly lines, let alone longbelly. I wouldn't want to throw anything longer than 50 on the le cie. On the 13'6" you can throw a longbelly, but not necessarily the whole head depending on the line. Have you tried a midspey for the 7136? out to around 80 (counting 15 foot leader) you aren't throwing any running line, but if you need more distance you can shoot for it. I did throw a light XLT on my original 7136 brownie (not even the tiger eye model!). It worked fine. There was definitely a wall however. Your rod will hit that wall quite a bit later than mine did. Check around for recommendations, and if you want to save some money, I have an old (single color) midspey with tips, new in the box I'd let go for cheap.
     
  9. Philster

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    Well, have you ever heard somebody say "And the ass measuring and cock sniffing continues..." without them implying that they are above it? And yeah... the last 18 months (2.5 years for steelhead) really made me forget everything I learned over the previous 35... It'll be tough to re-initiate myself...
     
  10. James Waggoner

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    I've played a windcutter on the 7136 with put me out about 60' feet with leader. I liked how it cast but rarely used it and never truly got proficient with it. My biggest complaint with the windcutter was with large flys and sunk deep it was very hard for me to cast, but with traditional flys and the intermediate tip it was a real joy to cast.
     
  11. Philster

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    Well, mids and longbellies aren't going to make pulling those tips up any easier. Spend some time making friends with the windcutter.
     
  12. yuhina

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  13. inland

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    Phil,

    Good on ya.

    William
     
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    carron-rod-and-case dot co dot uk
    lines are available there.
     
  15. Philster

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    Well if you mean it, back at you. I can see how the first couple of pages would get your feathers up, but we've settled in to a nice discussion. You're more than welcome to join in with your experiences and opinions. The only requirement is not to attack anybody because of their choices of line.