Skating Indicators For Steelhead

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by David Dalan, Jan 16, 2014.

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  1. jake-e-boy

    jake-e-boy No mas

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    pink worm or wiggle wart dropper
     
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  2. Sean Beauchamp

    Sean Beauchamp Hot and Heavy at yer 6

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    Nothing makes me feel lamer than when a steelhead eats my bobber. It's those aggressive ones I'm hunting for with the swing and the dry fly so when they eat my bobber I feel like they are trying to remind me of something. That said I've had really good luck on the next cast by stopping my nymph rig short and swinging my rig right through the lie.
     
  3. Rob Allen

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    nevermind... outa here
     
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  4. David Dalan

    David Dalan 69°19'15.35" N 18°44'22.74" E

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    Lol...it shouldnt matter to you as old steelhead are worthless, even if they rise to dry flies, and are unethical to target :)
     
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    many stories over the years of fish coming up for cigarette butts floating by and other such stuff.
    the one i wont forget is when a friend dropped his corkie box on the rocks and all the corkies went right into the river. and seconds later there were 2-3 good rises from some summer steelhead just a few feet away.
     
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  6. David Dalan

    David Dalan 69°19'15.35" N 18°44'22.74" E

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    Kind of blurry, but the teeth marks are still visible on my skating fly.

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  7. Olive bugger

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    Maybe it is time to change to a floating dry fly.

    Doubt that a #20 BWO would be a good choice though.

    Just a rambling thought.
     
  8. David Dalan

    David Dalan 69°19'15.35" N 18°44'22.74" E

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    I'm working on it. I have some ideas. :D

    I firmly believe there are some fundamental problems with the basic design of most skating flies, especially the older patterns. I have my own (amateur) thoughts and I have been watching a lot of video of anadromous fish eating, or trying to eat, surface flies. And, since I love tying flies, I'm trying to fix the flaws I see. I've seen some patterns that are close to solving what I think the problem is...but I think I can do better. Maybe.

    Oddly enough I think any skater would have worked in this case, as it seems pretty clear the fish tried to murder it.

    Back to the secret lab!
     
  9. tkww

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    I've had it happen, and always in the middle of winter, never in warmer temps. What's up with that? But I've also always caught a (that?) fish within a cast or two on the flies. I've been fortunate so far in that I've never set the hook (and in theory spooked) the fish when it did take the indicator down.

    I was looking forward trying to skate/drift one up in a hole where it happened, but I didn't get a chance that season and by the next year the hole changed and didn't seem to hold any fish anymore.
     
  10. Olive bugger

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    Just to share a bit of first hand information. Time was late spring or early summer. I do not recall. A bright warm saturday morning and I had ventured to my favorite fishing hole in a local river.

    Using a 5 wt rod and a floating line, I had taken and released several
    smallish fish. All were taken on dry flies and IIRC, were all bows.
    Time rolls on and it was time to head home to do some chores.
    I was still gainfully employed at the time and Saturdays were busy at home. With two growing daighters and an ambitious wife, what else.

    As I walked across the gravel bar, there was a low spot that the river flowed into and sticking out of the water about a foot was a stump of a tree root or limb. Reluctuant to leave, I decided to make one more cast. But, and there is always that ugly but, somehow I had broken off the fly at the end of my leader. Maybe the fish gods took it, I don't know. Anyway, I opened my fly box and there was the biggest, ugly PINK MARABOU fly I had tied a few days before. Why, I do not not know, but it seemed like a good idea at the time.

    So, I tied it on my six X tippet, it was a rather large fly, perhaps a #8 or #6. I was more interested in how the fly would float and look than the turnover of such a small tippet. Since this was a back water pool, there was a very slow current moving toward the tree branch. Just as I was about to retrieve the fly, WHAM! The strike was vicious enough for me to feel it in my shoulder. I never did see the fish, but I am convinced to this day that it was a steelhead lying in wait under the tree.

    The reason for this long and dull narative is that the fly was floating, the fly was highly visible and that steelhead like trees in the water.

    While I subsbcribe to the theory that steelhead are most likely lying in wait at the bottom of the run, and a weighted fly on a sink tip or full sinking line is usually the ticket, sometimes a change of pace and a skated fly will punch the fish's ticket. FWIW
     
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  11. papafsh

    papafsh Piscatorial predilection

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    Had it happen once on the Sky, I was doing the nymph/indicator drill with a pink colored indicator, when a fish came up after it. I reeled in and searching my fly boxes found a pink wog ,that I had tied up for an Alaska trip. I put that on and cast to the same spot and caught a nice steelhead!
    Kinda' made me consider putting a hook on all my indicators (bobbers) though I never actually did.

    LB
     
  12. Irafly

    Irafly Indi "Ira" Jones

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    When fishing in the Fall it used to happen all the time when I used round corky style orange indicators. It happened so much in fact that a buddy of mine and I decided to develop an indicator fly pattern. My attempt with closed cell foam never really panned out, but my friend managed to work a corky onto a hook effectively and then he used a plastic bead that he melted at an angle onto the top of the same hook. He ran the tippet through the bead and pinned the line where he wanted it with a toothpick. This allowed him to adjust his depth for the nymphs he was running below. The system worked great, now we just needed a take. At one point I worked my way up onto a bridge where I could spot fish for my friend. I talked him to position and on the first or second cast I watched a steelhead come up and take his dead drifted indicator. That was just flat out awesome! He hooked the fish and landed it.

    After that season I switched to a tear drop style two tone indicator and the steelhead have left it completely alone.
     
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    Perhaps they take the round ones for eggs on steroids.
    Fish are opportunist and a big meal is always better than a skinny meal to them.
     
  14. PT

    PT Physhicist

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