Smith's Boat Shop 8' Pram

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  1. flyphish

    flyphish New Member

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    Paul, Thank you for leading me to your blog space, there was a better shot of the seat. Better yet was your explanation of the seat choosing process and application. I had thought you just applied a back to the bench not a whole chair frame minus the sawed off legs. I may design it to be removeable for ease of storage and transport. I'm off to junk stores today to see what I can find while the 1st coat of spar varnish cures on the hull. I may not post much, but the information I find on this site from people such as yourself is invaluable. Maybe see you at Chopaka, I'll know the boat.
     
  2. Thanks... but why even bother with taking it off for storage or transport, when you know you have to use it? The seat is fixed and folds down to less than 2" flat. I bungee cord it down to prevent it from lifting up when transported upside down on my truck rack. My buddy I fish with loves how I fabricated the seat more than the boat, go figure!!! Did you buy that 10' boat from Craigslist about a month ago, from Everett? Would love to see pics once you're completed with the modifications.
     
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    Paul If I can find a folding seat such as you have modified, yeah that's the way to go. A fixed back chair will work but I would want it removeable. Yes, I bought my boat from a friend of Freds in Marysville about six weeks ago. The refinish on the hull is only because I couldn't stand to see scratches on such a beautiful boat. I've wanted a Smith pram for years. I fish with a guy from our club, Wenatchee Valley Fly Fishers, who has owned one for ten years. I've fished out of it and an 8' SCP he owns as well, and fell head over heals for the Smith. Something about a wood boat that tugs me. Another friend from our club is building me a mahogany and spruce landing net with a 36" handle. He says the boat won't work right without it. A buddy at work is fabricating alluminum anchor locks for front and rear as well. I probably paid too much but I had the $ and something I've coveted for a long time was there for the taking. Six weeks later, it could have been the 10 footer you have for sale. My fishing partners mostly think I'm nuts cuz I won't put it back in the water until I've got her just the way i want her. I'm enjoying the hell out of this project, except the spar varnish is a beeatch to apply. I haven't located the right seat yet. Thanks again for all your support and input, it's invalueable.
     
  4. I'll try to post a few more pics... in the meantime, I cut down another folding chair that is identical to the one I used. Perhaps we might work out some kind of a horse trade for the landing net, and I can throw you some $$$ to help offset the price. I know what you mean about the love of wood boats. I probably wouldn't own a wooden drift boat, but for stillwater applications, its perfect. I have an 8' SCP Classic, and Im not sure if it will get much fishing time with the new Smith in the fleet. Take a good look at the Thomas Pocket pullers and the extension arms which are very nice to have for an extended anchor system that won't bust up the sides of your pram with a big anchor.

    I am working on a Mahoghany fly box for all my Chironomids, haha...
     
  5. flyphish

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    More pics would be great so I can get a closer look. I'm leaning now toward copying a slat back folding conoe seat from scratch. I can build it to fit onto the back of the existing bench and it will be mahoghany to match the boat. The third coat of varnish is drying as I write. Each coat adds so much more depth to the wood grain, it truely is beautiful. If you are interested in a long handle wood landing net, I could ask my friend Gil if he wants to make another. He builds them for friends and a few club members as a hobby. Club guys pay $69.00 for the long ones. Each one he makes is different laminated woods, truely unique. I think the price barely covers the bags and materials let alone the craftsmanship it takes to build something like that. I looked at the pocket pullers and extensions from SCP but they were too costly for me. A friend at work fabricated one for the bow so far for $20. It's aluminum and extends out a foot from the top of the rub rail, very simple design with nylon pulley and jam-cleat. We'll see how it works before we make another for the rear. The mahoghany fly box sounds very cool. My wife is beginning to wonder about this new pramitis bug I've come down with. let me know when you are planning a trip to this side of the hill, I might have a spot or two you haven't been to.........Mark
     
  6. Mark, I'll take one of the landing nets if he is willing to build me one. Send me a PM with his contact information and I can Paypal the funds. Thanks for the offer for fishing spots, would love to spend some more time in that area, its God's country... love it! I just sold the 10' Smith boat today, I am thinking of ordering up another 8' boat from Fred as I'd like to save it for my son when he is old enough to fish on his own... it will be awhile since he is just 3 months old.
     
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    Here is another way to handle the back rest issue in a wood pram. This is in my 10' smith bros. boat.
     
  8. Dick Warnke

    Dick Warnke was Pram-Man

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    Paul, Nice boat. I really had to take a hard second look when I saw the first pics. It looks an awful lot like my wood Sea Dog pram. On mine the for and aft area is enclosed for storage which is real handy. I had a hard time with sitting on the bench seat without back support. So I put in a swivel seat mount and fold down back seat. The mount is the type you just push down a lever and the seat comes right out and easily snaps back in. I had a member on here that build boats make me some nice wooden oar lock risers to keep the oars from banging my knees because the seat does sit pretty high but I kind of like that. I know what you mean about on the water compliments with a nice looking wooden boat. I have even been parked on the street in Tonasket with the Pram in back ofmy truck and had people come into Mavericks wanting to know who's boat that is and the questions start. I hope you enjoy yours as much as I do mine,maybe we'll run into each other out on the water sometime.
     
  9. Thanks Dick... Here are some more photos of my makshift folding chair seat. Its low enough so I don't have to have risers on the gunnels for my oars. Its light, effective and looks better than a plastic seat, and its comfortable!

    Went out to Pine Lake today for a few hours, hooked a few, but I have a feeling that the full moon last night had some effect on the fishing. May 1st is just around the corner, gotta get the salt water boat out for Lings!
     
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    Paul, Thanks for posting the pics of your seat mod, very similar to the folding canoe seat design I'm going to use (no red leather). I see from your other thread that you have solved your long handled landing net needs. I picked mine up from my friend and although it doesn't have the rubber bag and the inlaid length indicators like the one you ordered, it's very nice. Sorry if I didn't get back to you soon enough, but a guy has to get some fishing in sometime. I was headed to Chopaka for the opener but news from my buddies up there was less than stellar on the weather front. I opted for a small lake in the Basin for a few days. Wind was a problem at times but it was away from the crowds. There was some great mayfly hatches most afternoons, especially Sunday and Monday, with fish eagerly taking drys. Upon return, my lake selection seems a good one after hearing what the weather has been doing to my friends at Chopaka. They had a very productive Sunday with chironomids but most days all week have been filled with snow, rain, sleet, cold, lots of wind and the odd five minutes here and there of sun peeking through. The hardier of the bunch are catching a good number of nice fish, mostly deep, but it isn't real relaxing conditions. Many have returned home early and are planning later trips when it warms up a bit.

    Jeff, Great seat design, simple and functional. thanks for the close-up pics.
     
  11. Casey Hodges

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    Awesome boat! I spoke with Ron recently and confirmed that they have a couple month wait on new boats. I love the fact that they take their sweet time building these things. I got lucky and beat the spring rush with my order, which should be done shortly. Super nice guys.

    Jeff, I keep looking for you on Lone. Had the lake nearly to my self last night. Except for some d-bag ripping around in a North River.
     
  12. Jeff Dodd

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    Casey,
    Congraduations on the Smith Pram order, I"m enjoying mine.

    Would love to have been fishing last night - nice evening w/ a little breeze. I was off to the school to drop eggs off a step ladder. 3 nights a week at baseball for a while longer, then back to evenings on Lone.

    Just fyi - Saturday at Lone will be BUSY. 3 fly clubs converging on the same day... Lots of Whidbey guys, along with Seattle and Port Angeles. Should be a fun parking lot :) I'll be in E-bur for the day.
     
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  14. Casey Hodges

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    Yellowlab- Would you change anything from your first boat? I opted to have the bottom glassed, bow eye, etc. I plan to do the varnish work on my own.

    Jeff- Thursday was my first time using a fishfinder from my pontoon. It really helps to locate the fish. Can you believe the bloom on Lone?
     
  15. Have them put the supports in for the seat mod, you'll need a stable platform to mount a seat. That standard bench won't last long for the long days on the water. I also added the bow eye, and did the spar varnish on my own. You'll want to set up a good anchor system. Thomas with the extension arms are the best IMO. but will require the use of Fish on receiver mounts for the extension arms as the foundation. Buy the oars that Fred offers, you won't find a better deal. I saw the same at Auburn sports for $36 a piece, not including the oar locks. Think he sells them at his cost $75.

    Also consider to use an outdoor floot mat for your flooring material otherwise the antislip coating will chew up your fly lines. I do want to mount a rollerblade wheel on the bow keel to help manuever the pram easily in and out of the truck. =) That might be sacriligeous, but hey it works...

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