So this swinging thing.

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by Irafly, Jan 19, 2014.

  1. David Dalan

    David Dalan 69°19'15.35" N 18°44'22.74" E

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    Yeah, and because of this, thanks again Ira for sharing. I'll be honest, I like a steady feed of SteelPorn.
     
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  2. Irafly

    Irafly Indi "Ira" Jones

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    This months reading strategy in my 4/5 classroom in inference. That is where you use clues that the author gives you to interpret information. Klick, you do a decent enough job of referring to your own preference at first by using the second person, but then you switched it up to a definitive statements, "...the bobber is not all that interesting to watch all day long." I'll assume that what you intended to write was "... I don't think the bobber is all that interesting to watch all day long." Unless of course your intent was to isolate an entire group of fisherman and let them know that they are doing it wrong and that you do not approve, in that case you got it right the first time.

    Now on to your ability to infer my original post. I agree feeling a hard take is very interesting, but in my opinion I feel I experience that sensation after I set the hook, to me the experience of the swung fly take and setting up on an unknown twitch are equally satisfying, but with the swing, I lose the visual, so I prefer the indicator (AGAIN SEE THE "I").

    Now folks who openly admit that they have also indicator fished and in the end realize that they prefer the ease, grace and feel of swinging, they have something to compare it too. Which again was my point in my OP; I realized that I was telling myself that I preferred the indicator, but that I hadn't swung in so long that maybe if I tried it again I would like it equally or better. I didn't, but now I know. Now I know that the rationalizers will once again say, "I don't need to try dog crap to know I don't like it." A better analogy might be something that is actually edible that you didn't like as a kid but as a grown up it might be worth trying again. I still give mushrooms a try once every few years, just in case, but other than cow manure growing up on a dairy farm for awhile (cow patty fights) I've never knowingly tried feces and I've never gill netted either. (Crap, now I just ticked off the gill netters on the forum by comparing them to dog crap eaters).
     
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  3. Rob Allen

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    ohh come on now he posted that to stir the pot...
     
  4. Irafly

    Irafly Indi "Ira" Jones

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    I agree, I think a swung waker would be awesome, and I've had a couple players through the years (none landed) and I know that in some cases it can actually work better than anything else but I as of yet haven't been willing to give it a try long enough and in enough situations to really find those times. Maybe more so this summer and fall.

    Now just like Klick, I'll interpret that you intended to say "I think nothing that happens under a bobber can compare to the swung fly. I think steelheading is all about finding the player."
     
  5. Irafly

    Irafly Indi "Ira" Jones

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    I think a great way to solve this problem is to create a WFF buddy system where we match a swinger to an indicatorer (I almost said nympher, but then we'd get all those gutter minded lurkers involved with the wrong idea). They fish together and teach each other until each catches a fish using the others preferred method. They share the experience and then have a new appreciation for each other.

    Now I'm not stupid, I can already predict the potential problems, but I think we could focus on solutions instead of those problems.
     
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  6. Irafly

    Irafly Indi "Ira" Jones

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    Why isn't it in your opinion as much of an accomplishment? Is it a numbers game? I guess I could see that making a free throw with your eyes open isn't as much of an accomplishment as making the same shot your eyes closed. In the end though your still make the shot and I've always been for the most part more of a goal oriented person than a process person. For me accomplishment for accomplishment sake doesn't make much sense. I rarely purposefully handicap myself for the art of catching fish. Again this is me, and those who do, good for you, but please don't expect me to think that you are better than me somehow because you do. Is there an argument in there for the opposite of accomplishment? Crap here we go with semantics again.

    As for the picture, you'll notice it is not the whole fish, just the mouth with the fly. I took it for formerguide to show him his fly in a steelheads mouth. I did not take pictures of the other steelhead I caught that day, not the 20 1/4" fish nor the bright 10ish pound wild hen I landed.
     
  7. Rob Allen

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    Ira let me first reiterate i couldn't care less how other people fish that is up to them.

    secondly I said it was not the same accomplishment i didn't say it was less or more just different.

    Hell no it's not a numbers game.. The reason for it to be a numbers game is if you used fishing to stroke your ego. If you use fishing ( catching fish) to make you feel better about yourself then you have bigger problems than what gear you use.

    there is no art in indicator fishing

    I certainly do not think that I am any better than anyone else because i'm not and I don't believe that i have ever said or portrayed myself as better.

    steelhead fishing for me is not goal oriented unless i am around hatchery fish , then my goal is to murder as many of them as I legally can

    a 14 inch fish cannot be a steelhead :) it's a trout

    if you are goal oriented why do you not use a spinning rod??? you'd be a lot more effective
     
  8. zen leecher aka bill w

    zen leecher aka bill w born to work, forced to fish

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    So now we even concern ourselves with how the fish is hooked in it's mouth????
     
  9. Irafly

    Irafly Indi "Ira" Jones

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    You are correct, you didn't say it was any less an accomplishment, in my opinion you just alluded to it. My bad as an interpretation if that was not your intent. I don't need to stroke my ego, but I do like catching fish, and the more the better. I don't want to catch more fish because I want to prove that I'm better than everyone else, in fact if you ask people I fish with, I'm 10 times more satisfied if everyone is catching fish. I don't need fish to feel better about myself, but it doesn't hurt and again in my opinion if the intent is not to catch fish, why the hell do it in the first place?

    I disagree with your statement that there is "no" art in indicator fishing, for me the concept of art is a subjective versus objective one so it can exist everywhere. I don't believe that swinging is anymore of an art than indicator fishing or vise a versa.

    I do love raking the gills of hatchery fish, and the lemon olive oil and garlic I cooked that 20 1/4" (I forgot the slash, thanks for catching that for me!) brat in pleased even my 6 year old, and that is not easy to do.

    As far as a spinning rod being more effective, I've only run across one guy fishing a spinning rod that kept up with me while I used the fly rod, so that is yet to be seen with me. Now where legal to do so, I am not at all apposed to throwing gear if I think it will work better. I'm also... gasp... not afraid to use bait if I know I'm keeping fish.
     
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  10. Rob Allen

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    i have always concerned myself with that.. i certainly don't want to be killing fish i plan to release
     
  11. David Dalan

    David Dalan 69°19'15.35" N 18°44'22.74" E

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    Best post of the year so far.

    :D
     
  12. PT

    PT Physhicist

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    Since this place is full of opinions, I'll state mine. Post your reports and don't concern yourself with what someone else thinks. People need not be so fragile as to be offended by what some anonymous poster thinks about their posts.

    To quote Ira. "Nobody can offend me without my consent." Words more of us should live by.

    What could be seen as really offensive is Ira thinking that what he did is considered swinging. Casting upstream with a heavily weighted fly or two and letting it dead drift, on purpose, until the tail end where he swings it in for another cast.....? Blah! ;)
     
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  13. gearhead

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    im going to steal a line here, but, a lion shouldn't concern itself with the opinion of a swinger.
     
  14. Irafly

    Irafly Indi "Ira" Jones

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    I was thinking of you sop when I mentioned my buddy program. Please be my steelhead buddy.
     
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    Chris Bellows Your Preferred WFF Poster

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    The rivers and fish deserve better than being polluted with Bronco orange. I'd rather be a dirtbag snagging poacher than a Donkey fan.

    See folks, there are things I hate worse than beaders and bucktailers...
     
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