Something good coming out of D.C.

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  1. Upton O

    Upton O Blind hog fisherman

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    Good news for the folks in Montana who are concerned about the impact wolves are having on elk and deer populations:

    http://www.komonews.com/news/local/119741324.html

    Now some liberal, stupid, bunny hugging judge will probably declare the wolves to be interstate migratory animals and therefore under the direction of the federal government.
     
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    Saw it. Great info. The wolves have already depleted elk and moose pops by over 70% in some areas of Montana and Idaho. Hoping the States will endure over the Lib Judges.

    I am purchasing a wolf license this year if this passes
     
  3. Barry

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    Good news?????????? If attaching unrelated policy riders in exchange for votes on "must do" fiscal legislation is a good policy making process for farmers in Montana then why not for farmers in eastern Washington, why not for farmers in central Oregon, why not for the Building Industry Association of Washington, why not for mining interests in Washington and Idaho. The next "must do" legislation comes up within a month - raising the federal debt limit. Just as the budget agreement requires votes from House Republicans so will next month's bill raising the debt limit.

    The chair of the House Natural Resources Committee is Doc Hastings from eastern Washington. As a committee chair Congressman Hastings will be a key vote for the debt limit bills. In return for his vote do you have any doubt that Congressman Hastings or other other like minded colleagues would be happy to demand "relief" from salmon restoration requirements disliked by eastern Washington farmers? How about Deschutes River irrigation restrictions opposed by central Oregon farmers? How about_______???

    Good news for Montana farmers? Perhaps. Good policy setting precedent? Not so good.
     
  4. Upton O

    Upton O Blind hog fisherman

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    Barry,
    You raise a very important point but you overlooked something. I didn't design the asinine way politicians work, I didn't create the system that is so prevalent in Washington these days. I didn't create the nastiness that permeates the atmosphere and relationships that our elected "leaders" have nurtured. Its "quid pro quo", the shallowest means for interacting with others and that is the way it IS, not as it should be. PACs, special interest groups, political correctness, and intended "non-factual statements" are the blueprint for running the country. So be it, the wolves will be managed now in a reasonable manner that takes into account the needs of humans, too. I vote very carefully given the poor choices I've been given.

    On a similar note, it you want to explore some interesting information, investigate world human population trends, carrying capacity of the earth in terms of all species and then human species. You want to see the real problem? There it is. Do you see anyone trying to address it? Naw, too much trouble, but fear not, Mother Nature will, its just a matter of time. At that point the wolves will be a moot point.

    You seem like a guy who would be fun to sit and argue a good debate. I love it.
     
  5. Alex MacDonald

    Alex MacDonald that's His Lordship, to you.....

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    it's called "negotiating", but there's way too much federal interference with the states. From an historian's perspective, we're still fighting the civil war.
     
  6. Upton O

    Upton O Blind hog fisherman

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    Alex, I hadn't heard it put in that context before, I assume you are referring to "states' rights"?

    When I was working as a fisheries biologist in Georgia I was told I would taking a state representative out on a "field trip" in the coastal marshes. I was told to use my personal boat, take suitable fishing equipment and a couple of quarts of live shrimp. My expenses would be covered by petty cash. I did as I was told and took the gentleman on his "field trip". Apparently this guy was a "maker and shaker" in Atlanta and I was to insure his trip was rewarding. Well, over the day we had some good conversation and, in time, I told him I didn't get politics. It made no sense to me the way things were done. The gentleman smiled as he watched his float drift in the current and he said "Its really simple, help your friends and screw your enemies." That was 26 years ago. Enough said.
     
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    I agree that this is good news. I like Barry's comments about good news but bad precedent.

    Wolf numbers have been above the original recovery goals for over a decade. Just because one Judge has a bleeding heart for the wolves doesn't mean big game populations throughout the west should suffer.
     
  8. Alex MacDonald

    Alex MacDonald that's His Lordship, to you.....

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    Yep, Karl, that's what I was referring to. People think the war was about slavery, but that wasn't the case. In the current situation, it would appear that the judge doesn't care what plan is proposed, he's going to keep wolves on the list, period. I have a problem with people who don't have "skin in the game" telling those who do, how to play; they frequently don't have a clue what they're talking about. The nature of the land has changed in the last hundred years, and wolves are no longer part of the equation-haven't been for almost 100 wolf generations. Essentially what they want is the introduction of what is now a non-native species.
     
  9. Gary Thompson

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    A few more wolves around the Eastern Washington boat launches might help thin out the gangs members?
    Just thinking.
    I remember when Oregon stopped letting folks shoot all the hawks because the rabbit and mice population were out of control.
    When the hawks got the rodent pops under control, the hawks went after the game birds.
    Around and around were go where it stops???????
     
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    Upton O Blind hog fisherman

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    FAE, you are correct and thanks for posting that. With the price of gold far beyond historical highs you can bet that mines in watersheds are definitely not going away. Mining has a history of poor or non-performance in environmental safeguards agreed upon prior to permitting. While I am a strong "states' rights" person, on occasion, if it wasn't for the federal intervention, there could have been some disastrous projects across the country. State legislators are in the pockets of big money even more so than our elected officials in D. C. and that is where the voters have to step up. Its our responsibility to keep our voices heard to address the needs for "consumptive" uses of the resources within parameters that perserve, protect and enhance resources. The main issue with the wolves is the creative means of putting management of the animal back to Montana.
     
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    Alex, as I grow older I'm thinking about taking history classes again so this time I can pay attention and really learn/appreciate it. I almost thought about going back to major in Constitutional history. I think that would be really interesting.
     
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    Very interesting, and from their website:" Statement of Loan Policy - Due to our independence from Government assistance, federal loans are not made available to Hillsdale College students. Some students may qualify for institutional loans. Students are permitted to pursue any privately funded student loan as long as the loan amount is within institutional budgetary limits. However, since many lenders will not process student loans for students attending an institution without a federal school code, we provide information on quality alternative lenders with whom we have an established relationship."
     
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    Cool. I hadn't gone into that bit in there web site, but it appears I (basically) got it right from what I knew.