Questions don't disappoint me, sniping does. I prefer discussions on features of the various crafts. I like to be as informed as possible when making a purchase as I really dislike experiencing buyer's remorse. I also don't like paying for features I don't use. I likewise don't understand those who feel it a privileged to spend more for essentially the same item with a different label. When it comes to customer service, I will pay a little more for better service if all else is equal. Each of these are why the stealth interested me. You pointed to the scout as perhaps a better alternative---I liked the suggestion, but I believe that it has a vinyl bladder---but if the warranty is the same and if the length is the same, perhaps it would be a better choice for the money. Thanks scottybs I appreciate the detailed discussion on component failure modes. Perhaps I should be happy with the framed units I have even though it is a pain to set up. If your machined modification works out well, please post about it. I am certain that many would like the stouter system. The outcast website does not list the stealth so I can't find verifiable specs on this unit. I've read and or watched several videos and find a couple of inconsistencies...some say that it is an 8 foot boat others say it is 9 feet...I have seen it advertised as having both a urethane and vinyl bladder. I believe that it is a single bladder, but again I have not seen a detailed spec on this unit.