Stealth Pro from Outcast

Discussion in 'Watercraft' started by cmann886, Dec 20, 2013.

  1. cmann886

    cmann886 Active Member

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    Questions don't disappoint me, sniping does. I prefer discussions on features of the various crafts. I like to be as informed as possible when making a purchase as I really dislike experiencing buyer's remorse.

    I also don't like paying for features I don't use. I likewise don't understand those who feel it a privileged to spend more for essentially the same item with a different label. When it comes to customer service, I will pay a little more for better service if all else is equal. Each of these are why the stealth interested me. You pointed to the scout as perhaps a better alternative---I liked the suggestion, but I believe that it has a vinyl bladder---but if the warranty is the same and if the length is the same, perhaps it would be a better choice for the money.

    Thanks scottybs I appreciate the detailed discussion on component failure modes. Perhaps I should be happy with the framed units I have even though it is a pain to set up. If your machined modification works out well, please post about it. I am certain that many would like the stouter system.

    The outcast website does not list the stealth so I can't find verifiable specs on this unit. I've read and or watched several videos and find a couple of inconsistencies...some say that it is an 8 foot boat others say it is 9 feet...I have seen it advertised as having both a urethane and vinyl bladder. I believe that it is a single bladder, but again I have not seen a detailed spec on this unit.
     
  2. Short Fat and Ugly

    Short Fat and Ugly New Member

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    I'm glad to see this discussion on the Stealth Pro becuase we are very excited about this new model. Our 2014 catalogs were delivered last week and our website will be updated by January 1 both of which will give you more detailed information on this model. If you like, email a catalog request or call and I can answer questions, send you a catalog or do both. For quick reference the Stealth has a urethane bladder and the Scout has vinyl bladders. Urethane is a great material but it is expensive. If you fish more than 25 days per year over time I think urethane is a better investment. Both models have an inflable seating platform and an inflatable outside tube therefore the boats have two inflatable chambers. We tested the oar stand system and are very confident in the pin system used on all our frameless models. We tested all the frameless models on flat and moving water and they performed great. Please keep in mind that we are a whitewater company (Aire Inc.) so we have lots of employees that are not afraid to get wet when testing boats.

    Chris Callanan
    Outcast Sporting Gear
    800-966-0976
    chris.callanan@aire.com
     
  3. cmann886

    cmann886 Active Member

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    Chris; Thanks for the post. I will drop you an e-mail with my address so you can send me a catalog.

    cal
     
  4. Freestone

    Freestone Not to be confused with freestoneangler

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    scottybs, I've compared the oar mounts that Scadden and Outcast use and they are different - as are the ones on my Water Master. In contemplation of purchasing a boat, I spoke with Outcast about the mounts and they said their oar mounts are custom made for them. The man I spoke with said they spent quite a bit of time perfecting the material used for the pin. I was told that the pins that will be used on the Stealth have been on the market for a year and they have not had a single failure. (He said including when they have purposely tried to break them running a rock-strewn true class 3 river.) Of course, Outcast/Aire is known for their awesome service so I am pretty confident that if someone did break a pin, they would get it replaced quickly. But in a true crisis situation, I'd rather break an oar or oar pin than have the oar mount rip off the boat, so it should be the weak link by design.

    Here's my bad pic of the Outcast ones. (water droplets were from washing the boat before returning it to the owner)

    Outcast oar patch.jpg


    And here is a pic of the Scadden ones:

    Scadden.jpg
     
  5. Gregg Lundgren

    Gregg Lundgren Now fishing on weekdays too!

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    I have spare pin hardware for both my Scadden and WaterMaster, and the necessary tool to make the replacement. Not sure what I would do if the oar mount failed and ripped off the boat, or worse, ripped the boat hull wide open.

    I thought the pin was to act as a fuse by design, but then maybe the real question is: What size fuse is being used? In a perfect world, you would want it to fail just short of a catastrophic situation. Not sure how a company could be very precise about this.
     
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    Cool, must be a different plastic. Still going to have a metal piece made for my boat.
     
  7. Gregg Lundgren

    Gregg Lundgren Now fishing on weekdays too!

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    Cool, sounds like you are aware of what you are doing.

    But isn't that like putting a penny in the fuse box from days gone by? I don't really know the answer here, but want all of us to be safe out there.
     
  8. scottybs

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    Yeah I would agree with you about it being a fuse point. I've ran the various rivers on my Renegade and am fairly gentle on it. It was a tough run when I broke it on the Madison without a spare oar mount. Then the 2nd time around was sheer plastic failure on the Bighorn, an easy row. I believe it was from the plastic getting baked in the sun. My 2 failures happened a little too easy for my preferences.
     
  9. jessejames

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    Good observations and comments. I am considering getting a frameless boat. I have a Fat Cat and a Outcast 8' framed pontoon. I "think I would like some a little bigger than the Fat Cat. We will be buying a 5th wheel in the spring and It would be nice to have a boat that I can deflate and store easily.
    The problem is there are some good choices out there and I am still not sure which one to get.
    jesse
     
  10. cmann886

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    I received the 2014 outcast catalog in the mail yesterday. This looks like a nice unit---I am very interested in how it tracks with fins...I would much prefer spending most of my floating time fishing than rowing and constantly correcting position. If anyone test drives this unit, please add to this post and let us know how it handles.
     
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    It is getting closer to spring now---any more thoughts on what to get?
     
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    Looks like the Stealth Pro is a very close copy of the Renegade, except the Stealth has bladders. That's why it's 8 pounds heavier and even though they use Urethane, they still are bladders. Ok for some people, but having a choice, myself and 100% of my friends would go bladderless. ONE thing about the pads for the oar mounts: they are WELDED. Waterstrider, Watermaster, NFO, and I am quite sure Outcast.... all welded, just like the seams and most of the D-rings[not all, but most]. I'm tired of the village idiot saying they are glued. I have only been fishing out of frameless boats the last 12 years along with the majority of my partners and we have never had issues with the cheap stock oars or mounts. One time a buddy stuck the downstream oar in fast shallow water....the oar didn't snap until it had raised the boat almost out of the water....wish we had a video of that! I can see how the pin or the plastic/rubber could break, but it makes me wonder if it hadn't been damaged earlier...possibly when it was cold and was struck by a boulder or the bed of a pickup?? Or it was a manufacturing issue, it happens. By design of a frameless boat, when you pull hard on an oar, much of the pressure is absorbed by the raft itself, which relieves pressure on the pin and the bracket. Also why a frameless boat isn't as efficient as a framed craft.
     
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    golfman44 4-Time Puget Sound Steelhead Guide of the Year

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    The oars break due to user error, not boat error. If you use them properly, they won't break. A lot of people struggle with taking responsibility, so they'd rather blame a boat to make themselves feel better.
     
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    Im guessing you work for a company who makes oars? Only reason I can come up with for making such a ridiculous black and white statement