Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by patrick barta, Nov 27, 2010.
Well said!! Time for bed. goodnight!
I have no problem with guys using the bead and bobber method (and it is deadly on the Klick this time of year) but I can't imagine a more inefficient way to fish. It would be infinitely easier to fish the B & B with a spinning rod or bait caster and probably just as much fun. The main purpose of fly fishing is to use the line to get your fly out there. The B & B method renders the actual act of fly casting irrelevant IMHO. And no, bobber/nymph for trout isn't the same because it would be pretty tough to cast a much smaller trout set up on conventional gear. I just couldn't stand casting that set up all day, but that's just me, because I actually enjoy the art of fly casting.
Lets see, I've been called an idiot, a dumb-shit, a mongoloid and possibly a few other things so far.
After reading some of these response you'd think I was an axe murderer. I can assure you I'm a moral upstanding citizen. I fish the Yak often and even consider myself a steward of the river. I pick up trash (even if it's not clean up day) give bank anglers or other floaters a wide birth and don't snake there water. I say hello to everyone even though I often don't receive a response. I may speed often on the highway but I only stay in the left lane to pass!
Sorry, I don't know Sparkey and I didn't know he had his own law. This was only my second steelhead only trip. I realize ignorance is no excuse so for that I also apologize. I can assure you those fish were landed quickly and with the exception of the 5 seconds they were in the air for our photos were in the water as much as possible and left our loving wet hands with strength and vigor. I too love my fish and respect them. I feel it does them more harm to overplay and exhaust them then to remove them from the water for a moment. Does anyone really know what the mortality rate is for released fish?? I don't think so. Of course the less they're handled the better, but as far as I'm concerned, overplaying a fish does more harm than being out of the water for a few moments.
As for the photos... I don't take them with the intent to gloat to others. For me it's about the memories. When I have a photo of myself or a friend with a prized catch in the location it was caught and view it years later I'm able to recount the event. I remember the day, the take, the fight, the people I was with, that's what's special to me.
Rest assured... I will never post a picture of a wild steelhead with it's head out of the water on this board again... that's not to say one doesn't exist.
Just an fyi for you.
There have been a number of studies on catch and release mortality. If I remember correctly one done in Canada seems to address the issue the best. Do a search for catch and release mortality rates and you should be able to find several. The studies put the mortality rate somewhere between 2% and I think about 8% depending on which study you are reading. I assume most of us could agree that their is some mortality associated with catch and release fishing.
Yep, lots of published CnR mortality studies out there. There are fewer studies on sub-lethal effects, but they shouldn't be ignored. Such as, what kind of effect does getting CnR'd every few weeks for six months have on a steelhead that's no longer metabolizing food to any great extent once it's on or near the spawning grounds? It doesn't seem unlikely to me that a fish subjected to these kinds of conditions might be less vigorous when it comes time to spawn, which could mean diminished spawning success.
That was probably my hook. That pisses me off.
Riddle me this? So is it illegal for steelhead to jump out of the water numerous times during a fight? Or just randomly leap out of the water on their journey up river? Mabye the fish and game should give write tickets to excitable, leaping steelhead? regarding taking wild steelhead out of the water for a picture.
This law is to help minimize unnecessary excess handling, and improper handling. It doesn't hurt a fish to leave the water for a brief second as long as their gills are wet. But I've seen so many times, wild fish netted into a boat, pulled off the deck, land lifted for upwards of a minute for a dozen photos. That's what this law is attempting to prevent. And we as responsible anglers should be doing our part to follow this and set an example. Especially when sharing these photos with the public. We as viewers don't know how long that fish was out of the water or how it was handled to get to that point.
OMG can you believe this, you better get on a letter writing campaign this is way out of control,
Notice the big satisfied smile on that bucks face?
So they brought a wild fish out of the water. Definitely wrong, but seriously, some of you need to be taking medicine or go exercise a bit more.
I know I brought wild fish out on occasion when new to steelheading, but not anymore. To be honest, I think I've handled a few fish worse while trying to get an in-the-water shot that actually does it justice than if I'd just picked it up for a shot.
I know this doesn't mean shit to some of you sticklers, but I think its worth pointing out what is RIGHT about their pictures.
I have to give them credit that all those fish are dripping. And from the looks of the net always at their feet (a rubberized, and appropriately sized net), I'd like to think they had a fish in the net, cradled, and lifted it only briefly for a shot. Shit, some of you dont even have a net when you fish, or like me, have one that is too small. Mine is cloth-mesh, legal, but not as good as rubber.
If the only thing they did wrong is lift a fish out for a second, I honestly believe these fish were better off than if they'd been landed by me without a good net.
I'm not arguing that it was ok, but that these guys seem to be trying to take care, so it seems a simple reminder would do more good than treating them like shit. I know that if I was undecided or uninformed about keeping wilds in the water, I'd be a hell of a lot less likely to agree with or take advice from someone that treats me like shit.
If your goal is to be an asshole because you think they deserve it, then go for it. But if you are actually concerned about the fish, then bashing them is a waste.
April knows how to handle steel
I personally think that a tired fish in the shallows not thrashing around is better than a fish too quickly landed and then try to handle the thrashing fish for picture and or release...
a LONG fight for a steelhead is 8 minutes if you have a steelhead longer than that, even large ones you need to give some thought to how you fight the fish..
this fall I landed a 15 lb buck on the Kispiox took about 5-6 minutes to land on an 8wt spey rod and 12 lb tippet. the fish was brought into water where it turned on it's side and laid there still, no flopping at all the hook was removed and he was steered by the tail to the deeper water and he slowly but strongly swam off..
when the fish is running it should be running against as much drag as your tippet will stand and when he isn't running you should be pulling on him with the same force.. as much like a bassmaster as your tackle will allow. and you should be using tackle that will allow it...
if you are using rods smaller than 6 wt it's too small if you are using tippet measured in X's it's too light 8 lb maxima MINIMUM even for small fish and even if it won't let your fly sink fast enough.
I tried some 10lb saltwater grade flurocarbon last winter and caught one fish on it a 12 lb buck that took 20 minutes i believe it was rated at 1x and it was too light for safe steelhead use.
strong tippets and strong rods allow you to get a fish landed quickly and released unharmed.. you don't so much want the fish tire as you want them resigned to giving up your fight against them needs to be brutal you need to make the fish give up not tire them out
at least that's my take on it
Thank you for removing the two hatchery fish from the system, as intended. I think that photo with the two hatchery fish tails side by side is very nice. It sounds like you had a very enjoyable trip with your friend and for that I'll congratulate you. No need for me to say anything else.