STEELHEAD COMING SOON!!!

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by Bob Triggs, Dec 16, 2008.

  1. Jeremy Floyd

    Jeremy Floyd fly fishing my way through life

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    Ethan a conversationalist is not a conservationist
     
  2. Eric Tarcha

    Eric Tarcha gear whore

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    would it be too much to post this guys phone number?
     
  3. Ringlee

    Ringlee Doesn't care how you fish Moderator

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    Greed, Greed, and More Greed!

    The MSC has not listed the Quinualt as a Sustainable fishery. His link to the MSC site lists nothing on Steelhead in our region. A search of this site mentions nothing on Washington Steelhead fisheries. Yes the Alaska fisheries are sustainable because of PROPER management by ADFG.

    The part that infuriates me is the fact he says that these fish don’t warrant any protection. Take a look at the list. It is one of the few that isn’t threatened or endangered. Just because it isn’t listed, doesn’t mean it is a healthy fishery! “Not Warranted” is not a good term as he implies.
    I am sending an email to Him, The Chef, and the MSC.

     
  4. Ethan G.

    Ethan G. I do science.. on fish..

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    I knew that, stupid error. Whoops. Oh well, too late.
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  5. Eric Tarcha

    Eric Tarcha gear whore

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    more info on mr. chambers:

    Jim Chambers is a fisheries ecologist with three decades of public service with the federal government, including 23 years with NMFS headquarters. In its Highly Migratory Species Management Division for his final three years, he was responsible for Atlantic swordfish and billfish. At great personal cost, he exposed the truth about the effects of industrial-scale commercial fishing, which has been condoned by NMFS, on populations of Atlantic swordfish, blue marlin, white marlin, sailfish, bluefin tuna and other species caught on longlines, drift gillnets and purse seines. NMFS' leadership responded by "putting him in a closet." So he took an early retirement at the end of 1997. However, the information he developed there is being used throughout the recreational and conservation communities as the basis for campaigns to ban longlines from all U.S. waters and for boycotts to remove swordfish from restaurants and supermarkets. He formed and directs Chambers and Associates, a scientific consulting firm specializing in the conservation of marine fish and their essential habitats. Its clients have included leading organizations in both the recreational fishing and conservation communities. He also founded and manages Prime Seafood (http://www.PrimeSeafood.com), a wholesale seafood company which since 2004 has supplied top quality seafood (only from sustainable sources) to about 70 high end restaurants in the Washington D.C. area, and starting in 2008 to about 50 restaurants in Atlanta and the golf resort areas located throughout coastal Georgia. He can be reached by phone at xxx-xxx-xxxx or by e-mail at jim@PrimeSeafood.com.

    Kind of crazy that he is this passionate about other fish species yet neglects to recognize the PNW wild steelhead as endangered...

    it is amazing what you can find on the internet.
     
  6. Zen Piscator

    Zen Piscator Supporting wild steelhead, gravel to gravel.

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    I spoke to him today on the phone, he was just sitting down for dinner but seemed open to talking. I'm going to call him back tomorrow. I'd like to figure out how important it is that he sells wild steelhead and if there is a more sustainable option like using wild-reared hatchery fish.

    I have no problem with eating wild seafood if it is sustainable but any take of wild steelhead is not sustainable.
     
  7. Smalma

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    Jeremy -
    I think you mis-understand what I was saying - My reference to the "tip of the iceberg" was referring to the Chambers/prime seafood as only the tip of the restaurant trade that is a major driving the steelhead market.

    Zen -
    I understand your zeal; however from your comment " any take of wild steelhead is not sustainable" am I to assume that you have stopped steelhead fishing? CnR or WSR fisheries result in a wild steelhead take - just ask the feds.

    Tight lines
    Curt
     
  8. Jeremy Floyd

    Jeremy Floyd fly fishing my way through life

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    gotcha Kurt,

    sorry for the misunderstanding
     
  9. Stonefish

    Stonefish Triploid, Humpy & Seaplane Hater

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    Jim Chambers needs to understand that buying "Quinault" fish doesn't guarantee the fish came from the Quinault River. Last time I looked they net the hell out of the Queets and Chehalis systems as well as netting the Hump. Email sent.
     
  10. herl

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    Wow, looks like we need to stay on Mr. Chambers - for someone with his record it does not add up that he believes OP wild steelhead are a sustainable fishery..

    Ringlee - take it easy on your email to the chef - he's already stated that he is removing wild Steelhead from the menu. He even had the decency to post our complaints on his blog. Seems like stand up guy.
     
  11. Richard Torres

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    Gentlemen:

    I give Kudos to all that have spent the time to write letters to those who are miss informed.
    :beer2:

    In addition, it might be a good idea to send your e-mails to all of the tribal leaders involved.

    I think they also need to be informed of this situation their members are creating.

    Hopefully they are not turning a blind eye to their harvesting practices.

    If enough people respond they might think twice about how bad this looks on them...

    Richard
     
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    Speaking of tip of the iceburg.. I don't know if this was posted before and I missed it, but the restaurant in question is far from the only one Mr. Chambers is supplying in the DC area:

    from http://blog.visionsbethesda.com/2008/12/03/steelhead-coming-soon/

    "Wild steelhead will soon be available routinely at a number of popular restaurants in the Washington D.C. area, including:

    Marcel’s, Blue Duck, Cashion’s, Nora’s, Firefly, Poste, Proof, Zaytinya, D’Acqua, indebleu, Johnny’s Half Shell, Agraria, Hook, Mendocino, Pesce, Mark & Orlando’s, Urbana, Kaz Sushi Bistro, Ritz (Pentagon City), Corduroy, Saint-Ex, Circle Bistro, 2941, Dino’s, Ardeo, Chevy Chase Club, Jackie’s, Rock Creek at Mazza Gallerie, Monte Carlo, Cesco, Visions, Black’s and Assaggi."

    Jim Chambers

    www.PrimeSeafood.com

    301-949-xxxx
     
  13. Ringlee

    Ringlee Doesn't care how you fish Moderator

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    Herl,
    I looked at the blog and Responded. Here are the 2 posts from the blog. I gave Jim the brunt since he wrote the article and is continuing to stand by his false statements...


    POST #1
    ChefTony,

    Thank you! This decision will pay off for You, Your Customers and the Fish. I encourage you to advertise and educate your customers about this issue. I am sure that this will pay off for your business.

    Thank you again,


    POST #2

    Jim,

    You mention that MSC has declared that the Quinault Fisheries are Sustainable.

    The MSC website fails to mention ANYTHING on these Fisheries and there Sustainability. They list out 38 Sustainable Fisheries throughout the world on their Website. I have linked the Pacific region that would include the Quinault fishery if it were listed.

    http://www.msc.org/track-a-fishery/certified/pacific

    I have contacted the MSC to inquire further on the listing of this fishery.

    The Quinault Tribe has rights to fish the Quinault, Queets, Humptulips, and Chehalis rivers. Can you guarantee all the fish you sell come from the Quinault River? You have failed to mention if any of these rivers have sustainable fisheries.

    According to Ann Blakley from Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife, The Lower Quinault River Steelhead run was considered Depressed in 2006.

    I have an intimate knowledge of these beautiful rivers. I caught my first Steelhead on the Quinault river when I was 9 years old. I have fished extensively throughout the Quinault Reservation and understand this fishery.
     
  14. Bob Triggs

    Bob Triggs Stop Killing Wild Steelhead!

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    You guys are fantastic: in less than 24 hours things are beginning to change with this situation. Kudos to all who are working on this in an educated and factual way.

    But as Curt so aptly pointed out: It is the tip of the iceberg". So not only does Mr Chambers need to be educated about the plight of our Wild Steelhead, but so does that entire list of his Prime Seafood customers (as noted in the above posts) who are waiting for delivery of fresh caught Wild Steelhead from the Olympic Peninsula coastal rivers.

    A question for all of us here at home to ponder; if the fish in question are being harvested legally by the tribes, and also being sold legally, What are the tribes alternative to this income? How will it affect the tribes to have this income reduced or lost? What can be offered in return? Are we willing to reduce our impacts upon these fish as well? In other words: what is in it for them to stop this behavior?
     
  15. fishkisser99

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    Pfft! Silly NIMBYs! Just picture a meal composed of the below!

    Federal Endangered Species Found In Maryland:
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