STEELHEAD COMING SOON!!!

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by Bob Triggs, Dec 16, 2008.

  1. Chris Bellows

    Chris Bellows Your Preferred WFF Poster

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    the concern for the quinault netters is nice but honestly, little will be done with the current framework of managment that the quinault use. it is a production fishery that relies on hatchery production to bolster their commercial catches. we've taught them well when it comes to poor managment practices when it comes to fisheries. the quinault is a production fishery for salmon and steelhead with zero regard for wild fish. the current hatchery production and wild fish management are like water and oil.... they do not mix.

    how to fix it? well, first you have to believe change is possible. second their needs to be trust, which may be impossible considering the history surrounding treaty fisheries and the historical destruction of wild salmon and steelhead runs by non-tribal interests. why would they trust us now? ask yourself with the long standing mistrust and hate between non-tribal and tribal fishermen (sport and commercial) what makes now any different?

    truly rebuilding wild runs isn't about wild steelhead release, replacing some culverts, and putting salmon carcasses in streams. it will require a seachange of massive proportions that would mean no hatchery plants, massive habitat protection and restoration, and pain for all user groups but especially for consumptive user groups.

    you would have a massive negative reaction to this not only from the tribes, but from sportfishermen, loggers, and all other people with an interest in the status quo of hatcheries and habitat devastation. i wish you good luck and will help how i can, but i realize the goal may be unattainable no matter how right the cause is.
     
  2. herl

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    I'll post what I've been thinking.. Though I should first say that I've never been to the Quinault and I don't have a real solid grasp of the situation on the ground, other than that the natives seem to be killing as many fish as they can get away with - the goal being to make as much money as possible. here it is:

    It seems to me that the tribe basically has, at least one, private steelhead river. That is a pretty extraordinary asset. Based on the last three years of public data, the indians have taken an average of 7000 winter run steelhead (hatchery and wild) annually. If we assume an average fish size of 8lbs and wholesale value of $4/lb (pretty high) - that makes for a gross income of $224,000.

    If they were to make a shift over to hosting sportfishermen, and we assume $400 per fisherman/trip, it would only take 560 fishermen to equal the gross income of the kill fishery.

    During the same three years the total run size averaged 15,000 fish- nearly twice the run size of the Skagit river during the same years. Who wouldn't be interested in fishing a river with that many fish? I don't know what it looks like (scenic value, etc.), but with reduced harvest, the run size would only increase. I can imagine it becoming a national, if not international, steelhead destination: the place to go if you actually want a better than even chance of hooking one of these fish.

    Switching over to a sportfisherman focused industry would also bring people into the area - people who spend money on hotels, food, maybe even casinos..

    Like I said, I don't know what it all looks like on the ground, but it seems obvious to me that these fish are worth far more than the $3 or $4/lb they are getting for them.
     
  3. Jeremy Floyd

    Jeremy Floyd fly fishing my way through life

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    Dont forget to divide the Skagit river into the Baker, Skagit, Sauk, Suaittle, and Cascade to help everyone realize what they have that is worth protecting.

    More than most of the N Puget Sound rivers combined..
     
  4. Bob Triggs

    Bob Triggs Stop Killing Wild Steelhead!

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    I wanted to follow up here with a few observations and comments. For one thing the participation that this topic enjoyed, and subsequent events over the first 24 hours, has been heartening. Clearly most people involved here exhibit a passion for our wild steelhead, and a willingness to act toward better conservation. As I had said previously, it was not at all a surprise that a few would resort to some reactive ugliness, most of which was directed towards Chef Tony and Mr Jim Chambers of Prime Seafood.

    The evolution of this subject has revealed that both of these people were previously working under an assumption that they were utilizing a resource that was deemed "sustainable". Some of us would disagree with that designation, and we did so here, and directly with them. Along the way some cooler minds prevailed, and with some solid and factual information that has resulted in a major policy shift regarding their use of this resource.

    Both Chef Tony and Mr Chambers have stated publicly that they will not be using these wild steelhead any longer. They also went further to announce that they would be integrating what they have learned of the status of Washington's wild steelhead into their own public education work with their respective customers. Clearly these men show real integrity, exemplary business ethics, and a sense of community that is to be applauded.

    While we here in Washington are still embroiled in a seemingly endless discussion over how and what to do to restore these wild fish to our waters; these two men- Chef Tony of Visions Restaurant and Jim Chambers of Prime Seafood- have done more to further that cause than just about anyone else lately. They did this at significant initial expense to themselves. Good solid factual information, presented honestly and respectfully often makes the difference. So lets not forget to thank them!!!
     
  5. BDD

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    Herl,

    You present some great ideas; ones I have wondered about in the past. I'd love to get the perspective from some tribal members who guide sportfishers and also commerical fish. It would be very interesting to hear comparisons of the two fisheries.
     
  6. ralfish

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    Bob Triggs, great initiative :thumb:
     
  7. Bob Triggs

    Bob Triggs Stop Killing Wild Steelhead!

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    UPDATE SUN 12/28


    For some reason I am unable to get the link to work.

    But if you go back to the first page of this topic and click on Chef Tony's Visions Bethesda restaurant blog link there, you will see that there is a new article just posted entitled :

    " Heard the buzz round the world on steelhead."

    When you get done reading that article I hope you will all take a moment to sincerely thank Jim Chambers at Prime Seafood and Chef Tony at Visions Bethesda for doing the right thing.

    And while you are it, why dont we all drop site member and WSC representative Todd Ripley a huge thank you for speaking truth to power.

    SUPPORT THE WILD STEELHEAD COALITION!!! :thumb:
     
  8. Todd Ripley

    Todd Ripley New Member

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    Thanks for the kind words, Bob...I went out to the east coast, went to Tony's restaurant, and had a very nice conversation with him over a very nice meal.

    As you've seen from the above links, not only is Tony not going to serve wild steelhead in his restaurant, but he's convinced Jim Chambers of Prime Seafood, his supplier, to not sell buy or sell them at all, either...and both Jim and Tony were very open to having a conversation about it, they read the stuff in the links that we all sent them, and they changed their respective policies regarding brokering in wild steelhead voluntarily...and easily, too, I might add.

    The power of the internet...who woulda thunk it?

    Tony has a seat in my boat when he does head out this way...hopefully I can get him hooked up and he can have the satisfying experience of watching a fully finned ghost swim back to the depths after a good battle!

    Thanks to all of you for your calls and emails, both to me, the WSC, and to Tony and Jim...they did all the work.

    Check here: http://blog.visionsbethesda.com/2008/12/28/heard-the-buzz-round-the-world-on-steelhead/

    Here's a pic that the hostess took of me and Chef Tony :)

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    I'd like to request that we all use the same zeal we used in convincing them to not sell wild steelhead to go back and make new comments on this blog entry thanking them for being open to communicating about it and changing their policies...don't leave 'em hanging after the good thing they've done!

    Fish on...

    Todd
     
  9. Matthew Malloy

    Matthew Malloy Trout Bum

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    iagree
     
  10. sgtmag

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    I am new to steelheading. can anyone tell me a good place to go that is near the Tacoma Area?
     
  11. Ed Call

    Ed Call Mumbling Moderator Staff Member

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    The Cowlitz boasts more steelhead than most rivers. A search will show that there is a list of the top 25 steelhead rivers in Washington. I personally don't care for the crowds at the Cowlitz, but the number of fish caught there and the number of locations that can be fished certainly is to be considered.

    This site has an awesome search feature, and if you've been lurking here long you'll already know you can't come in with a couple of posts and really expect the mother lode of information to be handed over in mass. Tinker with the search engine here and you will find a ton of great information, so much that it will take you weeks to months to review it all. Best of luck.
     
  12. Be Jofus G

    Be Jofus G Banned or Parked

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    The BLOG appears to be broken. I can't post a comment. PM me if you have an email address to send my thanks to.
     
  13. Todd Ripley

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  14. Eric Tarcha

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    Todd,

    As a WSC representative, could you weigh in on what could be done locally about the sales of wild steelhead in grocery stores and Pike Place Market? There is another ongoing thread that is turning into a discussion on laws and netting etc etc, but I find it hard to believe that we as steelhead conservationist community can't do something in our own backyard to reduce this practice. Thanks for any input.

    Eric
     
  15. Todd Ripley

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    Eric, I responded to your PM, and gave you my email, as well.

    Thanks for the note!

    Fish on...

    Todd