a sub title for this thread may be, how long can you actually kick a dead horse before your foot falls off. you have the elitists and purists who love the "art" of fly fishing or in this case swinging. the rythm of a 1-2 count, the pulse of a stream pulling their fly to the prey and the orgasm of that hard tug at the near end of a swing (which will probably never happen). then you have nymphos', neither elite nor pure. these guys are rebels with a cause, and its catching fish!