Steelhead reports

Discussion in 'Steelhead' started by sinktip, Feb 10, 2003.

  1. Old Man

    Old Man Just an Old Man

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    I used to know it all---but now that I'm older I seem to forget it all.

    When I read the first post of this thread I thought it was a joke and I went along with it. Boy did it ever get out of hand. I don't think that I have ever heard so many people down this thread. I go fishing to enjoy myself and IF I ever do catch anything I'm going to gloat about it. I have caught a few summer fish but I'm afraid to say where as everybody jumps on you if you open your mouth.:dunno

    Jim
     
  2. pwoens

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    WOW!!! :beathead :beathead :beathead

    I have put in thousands of hours and thousands of casts just to bring my first steelhead to hand....you better believe im going to have my partner snap a quick pic and with no doubt am I going to post it and gloat about it :thumb. I have worked hard, read every book, posted every question, asked every direction, fished in every condition known to man, and you know how I caught my first steeli ===> only by the advice and kindness of a drift fisherman I met on the water who openly suggested a few things and even pointed me to the correct water....these are the people I respect in this sport....and heck he even used a baitcasted????

    Cant we just go fishing??

    ~Patrick ><>
     
  3. CofO

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    Looks like a lot of people are thinking about their actions on the rivers. With so many fly fishermen and women on the rivers steelhead fishing and with limitted runs to fish it is important for all of us to to act with respect for the others who fish the same rivers.

    The two greatest abilities of a good steelheader are instinct and observation, period. The funny thing is all the schools and spey claves in the world can not teach instinct and observation. What you get bottom line with any type of lesson that has a profit somewhere down the line for someone is basic monkey see monkey do. The important factor is to get out and learn on your own or with a good friend. By developing your own personal technique you will in the long run become a better steelheader. If you take all these ideas people are selling you it will be hard to develope instinct and observation. I've yet to meet a great steelheader that went to some type of fly fishing school. They may be out there but I'm not sure where. Can anyone tell me a great steelheader that needed to go to a how too school to become a well respected steelhead fly fishermen?

    Whitey,
    You have the hang of it. Golf balls, good observation you must have been looking for good stucture. Ever notice that the guy who hits the golf balls has a pink poodle, really, there is even a fly named after that pooch.

    Marketic,
    Good to hear your still out there. Last week Pat and Gerry told me you were out and about and hard to find. With steelheading just the way it should be.
     
  4. sinktip

    sinktip Guest

    This has been an interesting post. About 1/3 of the responses agreed with me, 1/3 think I should shut the hell up and sadly enough, 1/3 thought my original sarcastic post was right on and supported its requests.

    Whitey has accused me of starting this to foster debate and he is right on. If these 670+ views and 32 responses have caused anyone to stop and think about the impact they have on both the resource and peoples enjoyment of it, then it has not been in vain.

    I will not waste anyone's time responding to each little barbed response however I would be happy to address these off the board if you desire. If you are curious as to why I said something, drop me a pm or an e-mail.

    There are a couple of points though I want to clear up before I stand back form this thread.

    Gloating: I am not against it and especially not for one's first fish. As I said above, go ahead and gloat, snap a pic and say "look at me, I caught one". Detailed reports including specific location, fly, etc. are not needed.

    Anger at the internet: Not me. I feel the internet is a wonderful medium to foster sense of community, strive for resource conservation, and to teach and educate. While I check in here from time to time to get the pulse of the board and especially the younger crowd, I spend most of my internet time moderating a steelhead forum on another site or maintaining the Wild Steelhead Coalition web site.

    Steelhead Schools: I have read back and I can only find one reference I made about steelhead schools: "(plus I read these boards and find another river to fish whenever there is a sleepover or steelhead school planned)". That was not meant as an attack on schools but there are a number of responses that infer I am school bashing. Truth be known, I have only had an issue with one school and that was one that was held on a small somewhat fragile tributary of an area river. Rather than join the bashing on the internet, I contacted the guide directly and stated my case. He is a class guy and gave me his word that this particular school would not be held in the future. His word is enough for me so case closed.

    One final shot across the bow and then I am out of here. Steelheading with a fly is about the quest. If you want to make it a numbers game, go throw bait as it is in most instances, more effective. It is not up to me, or anyone else on here to dictate how you fish as long as you respect the sport and the resource. You owe that much to not only the fish and yourselves but to the others that share the river with you. And while we are talking respect, let's show some class and get that assinine picture of a sucker being held up by forceps crimped to its tail off this site. I assure you the only message it conveys is ignorance.

    Respectfully,
    sinktip
     
  5. pwoens

    pwoens Active Member

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    #1: I personally would not do what the old man has done, nor do I condone it....however you were a beginner once your self and have done such "assinine" things yourself.

    #2: why do you point fingers at people??? ex: float trip, other post and threads, gloating pictures, ect... ????

    #3: lock this thread or get rid of it as it is only stirring irritation....no good will come of it...no one is going to quit pursuing steelhead because of one individuals comments, nor will less people take part in a gathering next time because of some unintelligent post.

    #4: go fishing with some friends...lots of them!!!

    ~Patrick ><>
     
  6. Nailknot

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    The Quest thing has me uneasy Sinktip. This is fishing, not good vs. evil. And fighting evil seems to be your whole point here. Again, the enemy is in your head. If you must "quest" you don't need to create imagined enemies in order to justify your spin on the fishing thing. I know plenty of accomplished and experienced steelheaders with a positive outlook and positive impact on the resource. Ranting on an internet board like some born-again circuit preacher doesn't mix with fishing. At least for me. In other words: It's your tone, not your argument, that is grating on people. I doubt this thread has changed many minds, just made people angry (how they usually react when scolded by peers), and I feel sorry for the few who were indirectly attacked for their past posts. But fishing is far too much fun, to get worked up about this stuff. Agree with Patrick that this thread should be locked-- but not zapped. Should remain to show how this steelheading can drive us crazy. Literally.

    Not to stir up the Bull Trout/Dolly debate (Lawless! :) But here is a nice and mellow paper craft exercise to lower the BP while awaiting the nates' return to the N. Sound. In fact, the whole site is magnificent:

    http://www.itow.com/amago/papercraft/papercraft2.html

    "Where have all the Trouts gone? I can't find them.
    I wonder if fisherman had caught them or they had hidden in bubbles of streams.
    That's a wonder."
     
  7. sinktip

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    Thanks Chris. I appreciate that one being pulled. No need to give the "fishing is cruelty" folks any ammo.
     
  8. Chris Scoones

    Chris Scoones Administrator Staff Member

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    Patrick requested it be removed. I hadn't seen it yet, so I'm glad he did.
     
  9. Whitey

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    Sinktip, That was beautiful! well said. I think some of you guys are taking what he calls "the quest" too literally. My quest involves bushwacking, climing over boulders, enduring the cold, fighting off the wind and rain just so I can find a little piece to myself. Happened this weekend on the NF, I had to bushwack through some nasty brush and climb over some trees just to find a beauty of a hole. I fished the hell out it, rested the water for a few, and attacked again. I came up empty handed, but I had fun, and will try again. That's my quest. :smokin YT
     
  10. Bob Triggs

    Bob Triggs Stop Killing Wild Steelhead!

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    1)Lower Hoh River tidewater
    2)Spey Shrimp, Pink and Claret
    3)Rio Steelhead and Salmon
    tapered leader; 17 lbs test.
    w/ 15 lbs. Maxima tippett.
    4)3:00 pm, Sunday Feb 9th, 2003
    5)Didn't catch diddley....

    But I watched four gear guys catch six wild steelhead in about an hour, using pencil leads and corkies.They stood over a hole like herons.And they killed every one of them. All the fish were over 27", and one was over 37".They were all chrome bright, on their spawning run, and beautiful. Now they are dead.That's part of why we are having some difficulty catching wild steelhead.
     
  11. Stellablue

    Stellablue Salvenius Secretariat

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    ""But I watched four gear guys catch six wild steelhead in about an hour, using pencil leads and corkies.They stood over a hole like herons.And they killed every one of them. All the fish were over 27", and one was over 37".They were all chrome bright, on their spawning run, and beautiful. Now they are dead.That's part of why we are having some difficulty catching wild steelhead.""

    That's Awful :bawling
     
  12. Luv2flyfish

    Luv2flyfish Another Flyfisherman

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    I may as well throw in my 2 cents as well - what the heck.

    I dont know where some of you fish, but I have been out every weekend and so far, I have seen ONE flyfishermen in a Driftboat, and 2 other wading fishermen - both, fishing with me, on 2 different occasions. That has all taken place on the Peninsula. I NEVER see anyone flyfishing out there. I have blundered onto some fine spots as well.

    I watched 12 steelhead get caught in a day out of a Run that I was fishing - Let me say that again 12 (TWELVE). They all fell to gear guys and I can only recall 2 being put back. Those are only fish LANDED as well. To me, who is after his first steelhead - watching this was absolutely maddening. Its super frustrating to me as I really want to catch one. I didnt know the first thing about steelhead fishing. I have learned alot, fished alot, me some cool people, and explored some great waters, all from the generosity of the folks on this site that share the info. THANKS FOLKS. I will sure as heck post a picture and gloat a little when i get my first one. To me, that will be a great accomplishment. to a seasoned verteran of fly fishing for steelhead, people that post specifics may cause some tempers to flare etc. Well......WE ALL ARENT SEASONED VERTERANS!! Some of us are just recruits trying to learn SOMETHING so that someday, maybe we can have the same success. Its not about short cuts or being lazy, or tarnishing the elite polish of flyfishing - its about getting out, fishing, and maybe catching something that we all obviously have a great respect for. I say thanks to all that have mentored me to simply Fish the right dag-gone water!!! I have learned alot from this website - its a great tool and there are some great people on here.

    We cant forget that its about FUN and a hobby that we all love - I think the focus should be on ENJOYING IT while we still have it. My personal opinion is that my grandkids probably wont get to fish for a steelhead - I think they read about them in history books. Lets just enjoy it and have fun. I'll post a report on the Peninsula when i get back after 4 days of hard fishing this weekend. Tight Lines
     
  13. sinktip

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    Little Stone,

    I hope you used a cell phone to report what you saw. The retention of wild fish is limited to one a day and five a year. By my math, you witnessed two illegally retained fish. I agree that poaching is an issue but WDFW needs are assistance to catch those that flaunt the law.

    Sinktip
     
  14. headstrong1

    headstrong1 youngish old guy

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    Sinktip- Get out there

    You can't expect reports to yeild that much information- Where an angler fishes is often the result of years of research and trial and error. I would be extremely suspicious of any report giving all the info you're asking for, either they are lying or completely stupid. Nobody wants to see their favorite hole become overrun with anglers. Reports are good for one thing- they serve as a rough guide- not a manual. You have to put in some dues.
     
  15. sinktip

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    Sinktip- Get out there

    Headstrong,

    You are probably right. Forgive me for trying to cut corners. I think I will get out there and explore a bit. Somebody just sent me a size 18 elk hair caddis that they swear the steelhead go ga-ga for. I will let everyone know how I do.

    :+

    Sinktip