Stupid question

Discussion in 'Stillwater' started by Daryle Holmstrom, Feb 18, 2011.

  1. Irafly

    Irafly Indi "Ira" Jones

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    Again, I don't understand the bass hate. I do understand in circumstances where they have been introduced and the state or other agency wants them out. I agree with some of it, but an outright hate for a non-native species? Really? Just out of curiosity what is your nationality? I know this might be going to an extreme, but should we ban anything that isn't a dinosaur, better yet should we start throwing whitey up on the bank because the "Natives" were here first? The "It isn't native, therefore do with it what your will.", argument really fails me, that is what is wrong with that statement. No more put and take fisheries, no more Lone, Pass, Dryfalls, Lenice, Nunally, Chopaka, Rattlesnake, etc... Start tossing all the Rocky Ford mutants up on shore, they don't belong their anyway. At what point does a fishery become part of the system? Shall we start banning earthworms? Did you know they are not Native to North America. Horses? Scotchbloom? Ok, I'm ok with taking out the Dadelion. Do you drink beer? Are the hops native? Let me know when I've made my point. "Bass aren't even native to washington. Handle them however you wish. They're really bad for most of the systems they're in (Columbia River especially)."

    Evan I think you do a lot of fishing for steel and I can understand your perspective but I'm mostly a stillwater guy and to be honest most if not all of our lakes our bastardized non-native fisheries in the first place, ones that we created. Now in the Columbia, I do find it hard to believe that there is a bounty on Northern Pike Minnow, but not small mouth. With you here, I completely agree.

    My defense of bass stems to stillwaters where a sustainable bass fishery is in a lot of ways much better than a trout fishery. Now, with that I don't like "bass-turds" dumping in bass just to purposely ruin another fishery and in those cases where legal, I will keep without guilt my fair share of bass but I think it is and will continue to think it unethical to kill a species just because it is that species, (with the exception maybe of female mosquitos) I also refuse to believe that it is ok to waste a food fish by ditching up on the bank or bushes.

    Ira..
     
  2. KerryS

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    I love to fly fish for bass and release everyone I catch. With the way our salmon and steelhead are going bass may be the only wild fish left to fish for.
     
  3. John Wallace

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    KerryS, well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  4. ryfly

    ryfly Addicted to flyfishing

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    Bass hate based upon the fact that they are non native, introduced species is ridiculous. If all fisheries operated on that basis we would have few, limited oportunities. Hatchery Steelhead would be a thing of the past and as Irafly mentioned, most Eastside desert stillwater opportunities would be gone because hatchery fish are introduced and therfore based upon previous commentary would be undesdireable and that would be a tragedy. Just the wholesale idea that introduced species don't deserve to exist in their non native areas is assinine. By being a proponent of that idea shows an incredible amount of disrespect to those amazing members of the Trailblazers and the HiLakers clubs who carried in live fish in milk buckets on their backs, miles and miles into a multitude of lakes, ponds, and streams in the mountains of Washington so that we can now have more opportunites today. My father-in-law is one of those people who along with Eddie Bauer and others like him showed vision for the future by caring enough to invest time and lots of energy to expand fishing opportunities for generations to come. People just need to look at the bigger picture ad realize that a narrow focus can just be narrowmindedness.
     
  5. Evan Burck

    Evan Burck Fudge Dragon

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    You're making a whole lot of assumptions that I never said. But I don't even care enough about this to debate it. So you guys can rest easy in knowing that I don't even fish for these things, or in many, if any places that they reside. So your fish are safe.
     
  6. bierhoernchen

    bierhoernchen New Member

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    They're definitely bad for most of the systems they're in. What's your stance on other non-natives like brookies and browns?
     
  7. Evan Burck

    Evan Burck Fudge Dragon

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    Depends on whether or not they're competing with a native population of fish.
     
  8. ryfly

    ryfly Addicted to flyfishing

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    What's your definition of native. Because in most flowing waters the northern pikeminnow, aka the squawfish, is a native species and rainbow trout is not. Not to forget whitefish and suckers-they are native as well.
     
  9. Evan Burck

    Evan Burck Fudge Dragon

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    I already said I'm not going to debate this or even elaborate any further. My level of caring on this matter is slim to none. Other than the huge bass populations in the Columbia system, I could give a rats ass about most any other introduced fish we have in this state. Many lakes that never had fish before now provide angling opportunities that had never existed, and I think that's great. I just don't see a need to get bent out of shape about a bass or two that got a barbed hook stuck to it.
     
  10. Irafly

    Irafly Indi "Ira" Jones

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    I believe our responses stems from the fact that you posted in the stillwater section and originally you did not define your perspective well. I hope you understand why some folks may have misread your intent. You fish for steel in the Columbia, you don't like the bass there because they are not native and they mess with the native fish you would like to see restored. You obviously do not support the bounty on Northern Pike Minnow and must instead support an erradication of the non-nates in the system as well. With this you probably would be up for targeting the turns that are know to feed on smolt. I believe that based on your other posts you support a multiple number of conservation techniques in order to protect/restore said fish regardless if those practices are realistic or not. Good luck in your hatchery management campaign.

    Again if you do not wish to debate, I hope you understand why we thought you did.

    Ira..
     
  11. triploidjunkie

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    Killing bass and not eating them is stupid and illegal, even in places where they don't belong. And it wasn't the bass that screwed Chopaka(though they certainly didn't help). It was the big, predatory triploids introduced by WDFW that killed that lake.
     
  12. Wilken

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    Killed Chopaka? Apparently you didn't fish there last spring or fall becuase the catching was outstanding. I've fished Chopaka for over 2 decades and although I do remember it being better in some previous years, it was more than satisfactory last season.

    I don't see anything wrong with trying to fish out spiny rays in places where quality trout fisheries have been illegally planted or places where the introduced centrarchids are eating native juvenile salmonids. However, throwing centrarchids on the bank seems a bit wasteful. What's wrong with eating 'em for dinner or letting them rot a bit and using them for crab bait? Personally, I don't hate bass, I just don't like to fish for them because they are so easy to land. The only bass I've ever caught that fought for more than a couple minutes was a 5 pound smally in Lake Wa. I caught it fishing for cutts and man was it tasty! That was before I was concerned about the effect of water quality on the resident fishes in Lake Wa. At this point, you couldn't pay me to eat a resident fish from Lake Wa. or Lake Sam. because their tissue is loaded with a cocktail of chemicals.
     
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    They poisoned it and restocked about two years ago(last spring it just came back into true form). When they have to poison a lake to start over I consider it killed, though it did rebound nicely. WDFW biologist say they won't put any more triploids in, just fingerlings like they always have. The stunted smallmouth were the result of local bucket biologists, not a WDFW mistake like the trips.
     
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    OK triploid junkie, now I know what you mean by killed. When you wrote that the triploids killed the lake I didn't think you meant they rotenoned it because of the triploids. Your wording confused me but I'm glad to hear that the planting plans will go back to what worked in the past.

    Wilken
     
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    The reproduce and kill all small fish in the ecosystem it is unreal. They destroy a lot of what should be good trophy lakes.