Sturgeon confirmed in merrill!

Discussion in 'Stillwater' started by Drifter, Jul 7, 2012.

  1. Jim Speaker

    Jim Speaker Active Member

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    I think it's pretty cool that there are at least a couple sturgeon in there that may date way back. If they are remnants of Merrill being part of a river system in the past, that are able to spawn in still water - awesome! I don't know jack about sturgeon, but, maybe someone more knowledgeable can comment as to whether the silty bottom at Merrill that also is the reason it produces one of the state's only hex hatches may be conducive to their spawning?

    I'm +1 on leave the sturgeon alone (or try to hook up on one and release it...), btw. As stated above, if there are sturgeon there of that size, they are not the result of some bucket brigade.

    I love the hex hatch there. I hope I can make it up there in the next few weeks.
     
  2. Jim Ficklin

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  3. JS

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    Well if it was introduced at least it is a native species to the PNW. Regardless of how it got there, I would advise against harvesting it for depredations sake. I highly doubt that WDFW will want to go after it either. So I guess everyone will just have to wait until she dies......................................I wouldn't hold your breath.
     
  4. Olive bugger

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    Other than roe, what is the target value of sturgeon?

    I have never seen fish that large so I do not know what they are about.

    I know that they are sought in the Columbia, but I have no idea what they do with them. I know there is a "slot" size limit on them and there was one caught in Idaho long ago that was something like 11 feet long.
    Other than that, to paraphrase Sgt. Schultz, I KNOW NOTHING!
     
  5. fishingcheftim

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  6. Irafly

    Irafly Indi "Ira" Jones

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    A bucket brigader could have introduced the fish years ago. Sturgeon are hearty enough to be transported easily with the right equipment. Because of the special regulations on the lake, I doubt that the state will allow the fish to be targeted, unless it could be brought to the attention of a sturgeon recovery project.

    If possible I think the fish would be much happier back in the Columbia, but that's part of the reason why this discussion has started in the first, personification! We take that out and keeping the fish in there just seems ridiculous.
     
  7. Wilken

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    You lost me there Irafly. You think the fish would be better off in the Columbia but you say that sentiment is a result of personification (by you I assume). Then you say the notion of leaving the fish in the lake is ridiculous when personification is taken out of the thought process? Do you see the contradiction here? So what destination would you pick that is free of personification? Ambiguous much?

    By the way, capturing, safe transtportion and healthy release of this fish would be very, very expensive in a relative sense, given the potential benefits of the outcome. Do you have experience transporting live fish of this size? Just another way for WDFW to waste our tax money and reg fees doing stupid things that don't amount to much in terms of fish conservation or improved fishing opportunities. That fish has been in there for decades to reach that size even if he/she came from a bucket, which does seem likely given the gradient to the lake. I've fished that lake many times and I have a hard time accepting the notion that a sturgeon or two is noticeably affecting the fishing in that lake considering the annual plants and protective regs.

    2 cents worth.
     
  8. Irafly

    Irafly Indi "Ira" Jones

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    I'm sorry I lost you. Most of the arguments seemed to be about leaving the fish in the lake for what seemed like personification reasons, versus reality, so I used the same argument (which I then quite obviously contradicted) as others did, but in the opposite.

    I have been part of moving fish this size safely and the cost is not that great. The largest cost is in gas pulling a heavy trailer. Have you been involved in something like this? As I mentioned before, I doubted the states involvement in a project like this, but there are several sturgeon recovery projects out there that with state permission would likely look into the possibility of moving such a fish to help with diversifying genetic stock. If this were to happen I imagine the fish would be better off back in it's natural habitat, it would have the opportunity to reproduce, and it could make the Merrill fishery better. Sounds like a win, win, win to me. So again take personification out, why keep it in there?

     
  9. zen leecher aka bill w

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    The "truck brigade" stocked the sturgeon in Sprague years ago. That one showed up in the late-80's rotenone kill off. I'd bet the Merrill sturgeon made a similar journey via truck.
     
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    There was a guy caught a few years ago in the Vancouver BC area with some in the trunk of his car. If I remember correctly they released two back into the Fraser river and the other one died,they did not know how long that they had been in the trunk but stated there was no moisture in the trunk except that which had came from the fish.
     
  11. Richard Olmstead

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    I don't think sturgeon prey on adult fish, or even juveniles much. They mostly are scavengers and bottom feeders.

    From Wikipedia regarding diet of white sturgeon in the Columbia river:
    "As adults, the white sturgeon’s diet somewhat varies. This is dependent upon the river systems it lives in. In the Columbia River system, dead fish, crustaceans, and mollusks are all popular prey." The piece also mentions the huge shad population in the Columbia providing a large source of dead fish for scavenging.

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  12. Irafly

    Irafly Indi "Ira" Jones

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    They chase and eat live fish, but you do bring up a good point.
     
  13. Woodcanoeguy

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    I think there should be some worry about this sturgeon rooting around on the lake bottom and possibly destroying the hex habitat.
     
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    It's one sturgeon. The eagles and osprey will eat far more fish than that. Merrill's a glorified hatchery destination, especially with all the fucking triploids in it now. It's not a big deal.
     
  15. Daryle Holmstrom

    Daryle Holmstrom retiredfishak

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    Is this thread for real!