Successful flies for staging silvers?

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  1. Roger Stephens

    Roger Stephens Active Member

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    By mid-Sept. through Oct. silver salmon should be staging along esturaries/shorelines on the Sound. They can be easy to catch or tight-lipped(like some people about giving out fishing locations ;)). From my experience, fly fishing for them can be very successful if you can find a location where they have just arrived within the last day or so. They can be biters for up to a week if it is the first part of the run.

    There are three flies which have been very successful for me during the early part of the silvers staging period. They are: Olive/white clouser minnow, chartreuse/white clouser minnow, and Ferguson green(charteuse)&silver. All these patterns are tied on #6 4XL hooks. The Ferguson green&silver was developed quite a while ago by Bruce Ferguson and is an overlooked pattern in this day and age for silver salmon. Cerise colored flies have worked at times.

    This year I am going to try a Mickey Finn pattern tied as a clouser style fly and a couple of shrimp patterns.

    What are your favorite patterns for staging silvers?
     
  2. kodiaksalmon

    kodiaksalmon Jeff B.

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    Depending on the density of fish, I'll go with smaller hook (and I'm a big fly guy) to try to minimize snagging. I've done well with chartreuse/white Clousers down to size 8. I mentioned in another thread about silvers, if it's an open flat with good vis, and not too many fish packed in close quarters, and more of a cruising scenario, I'll use a Clouser tied with yak hair on a 1/0 or 2/0 that's about seven or eight inches long in all. They cast easily, are easily seen from a distance, make a lot of "noise" underwater, and you can tie them sparse and with little flash so they don't overpower the silvers in skinny or bright water.

    Jeff
     
  3. wet line

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    Jeff's notion of noise is spot on in my opinion. In the salt I am a gear guy but there are some things one can learn from this. On staging silvers by far and away the best thing I ever found to induce strikes has been a white bodied with red head hot shot that rattles. The same hot shot without the rattle only produces about 1/3 the number of strikes.

    Dave
     
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    Small “traditional” hackle flies work very well (small Spider’s etc.). Additionally (as already mentioned) small Clousers and Shock and Awes have been productive for me. When retrieving these small flies, I have had much greater success with a variety of slow retrieves. There are some excellent small patterns pictured in the classic book “Fly Fishing for Pacific Salmon.”
    Did I mention that they should be small???
    Anil
     
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    chartuse spider.. or a peacock spider are about the only 2 flies i fish for staging silvers.
     
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    Also, search for "popper" in the forum, as it seems to be a favorite of many people.
     
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    I have had some positive results with purple egg sucking leeches and space creature....a weighted round chartrues green head and rubber legs w/purple bunny leech body and a hint of tinsel....looks like some kind of squid in water when stripping.
     
  8. Jim Kerr

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    Totaly in agreement with Anil and D3 on this. Small spiders. For me nothing has come remotly close to Mike Crofts spider. Its a show stopper 3 times over.
    Jim
     
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    Do any of you guys have a link for Crofts spider? I found one pic online but couldn't tell what materials were being used. It looks fairly simple though. Thanks in advance!
     
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    The one I tie is based on a rather hazy memory of watching Mike tie it over a couple, well maybe a dozen or so, beers. A bead head, I like gold or copper, a gold tinsel body a turn of Pumkin orange saddle, and a turn or two of golden pheasant crest. To this I add one strand of pearlecent flash. I am sure Mike uses some great glue and stuff. Also mike uses alot of spit on his flies, his saliva is particularly ropey, if you ask him he will probably send you a sample, maybe via airmail. Here is a high quality digital image of what the fly looks like completed.
     

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    Pez Gallo On the hunt for grandes

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    Uncle Jimmy...Is it true that you that you catch numerous shiner perch on the fly? I'd give a steak dinner to see that!! Also...does whiskey count as beer? :beer2:

    That Croft Spider is really hard to beat. A must have.
     
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    This can be an unnerving process of trying to catch the staging silvers. We fished these today with literally dozens upon dozens of sizable silvers moving around and flopping out of the water completly, rolling, etc.

    We threw everything at them including most of what was mentioned above, big, small, surface, you name it. The fish didn't stop their activity despite us being near them in the boat and they came through numerous times with only one real take and no fish landed.

    I am sure we could have done something better, but for the hours of effort and number of fish, I would have thought we'd have more to show. I guess we need to make certain to have the 'Croft Spider' and see if that works.

    - South Sound estuary -
     
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    I'm assuming the ticket to retrieving a spider is short, quick strip and pause to get the reversed hackles to pulse. I've been tying up a few and would appreciate some feedback.

    Thanks.
     
  14. Jim Kerr

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    Here is the best way I have found to make them bite this or any other fly, and its a pain in the A$$. The most important thing is to determine which direction the fish are swiming right now, from a boat this is easy as you can often see them, in any case you want the fish to be moving straight at you so they do not have to turn out of the school to take your fly, and so it stays in front of them for as long as possible. You want to make a really long cast, so the fish are unaware of the boat and so, once again, they get a long look at the fly. I often spend twenty or more min. between casts trying to get the boat and the fish and the stars alighned. When the fly lands corectly let it sink along time and then start a short (1 inch) slow to med retrive. As the fly gets closer to you speed up the retrieve incrementaly, this is so any fish that has tuned into your fly and is following, will be more likly to bite. It really helps to see the fish, so you know what to do with your fly and so you can see the bites, wich are often too light to feel. The bites are often very light. The bites are often very very light. Somtimes they don't bite very hard. For god sakes be ready to set the hook because they are gonna push the fly towards you, not pull it away, so the bite will feel very light
    Good Luck,
    Jim Kerr
     
  15. Smalma

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    silverfly -
    Think the guys are talking about the basic Knudsen Spider or variations of that pattern and not Kenny's reverse spider. I have had success by changing colors and once in a while throwing a larger fly in the mix (usually some sort of bait fish streamer). Since these fish aren't actually feeding having a "stinger" hook on the larger flies will help convert tentative strikes to hook ups

    Regarding the retrieve. I prefer fishing full sinking lines or long tips to keep the fly at the level I want and found that mixing up the retrieves changing speed and strip lengths until you find one that fits the fish's mood. Other things to try include - when you see following fish dramatically change the retrieve speed, strip length or direction. Also if fishing with a patner try to cover the jumps of any hooked fish with a quick cast - amazing how many times that can be converted to a "double"

    All and all these staging coho - whether in terminal salt areas or lower rivers can be one of the most frustrating fish in the region.

    Tight lines
    Curt